Steps 6 and 7 at march through the steps in Wilmington, DE
and
going
to
introduce
our
speaker
on
six
and
seven.
It's
going
to
be
Chris.
It's
really,
it's
an
honor
to
have
Chris
here
for
sure.
He's
definitely,
and
it's
an
honor
because
he's
helpful
to
a
lot
of
good
friends
of
mine.
He's
gotten,
he
came
very
close
over
the
last,
I
guess,
year
and
a
half
with
good
friends
of
mine
and
mean
a
lot
to
me.
And
when
I
was,
before
I
moved
to
Delaware,
my
sponsor
in
California,
I
don't
know,
I
know
now
why
he
told
me
to
do
this,
but
he
said,
if
you
ever
feel
a
certain
way
or,
If
you
ever
have
any
questions,
ask
the
person
that
you
want
to
ask.
Like,
you
ask
the
person
at
a
meeting.
Like,
go
up
to
them
and
ask
them
what
you
want
to
ask
them.
And
I've
done
it
with
Jack.
I've
done
it
with
a
couple
people
here.
And
there
was
a
night
that
I
was
doing
a
Zoom
meeting,
and
I
saw
that
Chris
was
on.
And
I
don't,
I
mean,
I
put
these
people
on
pedestals,
and
it's
just
the
truth.
Like,
guys
that
I've
listened
to.
And
so
there
was
a
break
real
quick
where
someone
wanted
to
share,
and
I
alcoholically
looked
to
see
if
Chris
was
on,
and
he
left.
And
I
was
like,
oh,
what's
up?
And
so
I
reached
out
to
him
after
the
meeting.
I
was
like,
hey,
man,
what's,
how
you
doing?
You
don't
know
me,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know,
did
I
say
something
to,
and
he
said,
no,
man,
I
had
a
hunger
meeting.
But
I
needed
a
follow-up
question.
So
I
said,
hey,
I
was
like,
so
how,
you
know,
I
get
asked
to
do
this
a
lot,
so
how
could
I
become
a
more
effective
communicator?
It's
a
very
similar
conversation
I've
had
with
Jack.
And
he
gave
me
some
good
tips,
which
is
stuff
I
had
heard
before.
And
then
the
next
morning
I
hooked
up,
and
it
was
like
45
text
messages,
like
talks
to
listen
to.
And
to
be
honest,
I
mean,
that's
that
kind
of
stuff
that
has
made
me
incredibly
useful.
So
I'm
grateful
for
you,
and
I'm
grateful
that
you
came
to
be
here
with
us
today.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
give
you
Chris
on
Step
67.
Chris
Alcoholic.
What
a
great
couple
of
days
this
has
been.
I've
absolutely
loved
every
single
talk.
It's
had
monstrous
amounts
of
depth
and
weight.
There's
a
spirit
in
this
room,
too,
that
I
really
appreciate.
You
know,
we're
all
struggling
to
recover
from
alcoholism.
You
know,
we're
all
heading
in
the
same
direction.
And
when
you
think
about
where
we
all
came
from,
imagine
if
we
were
all
still
drinking.
There
wouldn't
be
enough
cop
cars.
You
know?
So
I'm
really
grateful
that
we're
sober
and
we're
all
hanging
in
there.
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
bizarre
reading
because
I
feel
like
it.
And
this
is
from
page
139.
It's
to
the
employer.
This
was
the
Hank
Parker's
chapter,
right?
And
he's
talking
about,
all
right,
you
want
to
try
to
be
helpful
to
the
alcoholic
in
your
organization,
you
know,
and
he's
giving
you
some
tips
and
he's
giving
you
some
advice.
And
he
says
this,
when
dealing
with
an
alcoholic,
there
may
be
a
natural
annoyance.
That
a
man
can
be
so
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible.
Even
when
you
understand
the
malady
better,
you
may
feel
this
feeling
rise.
I
have
been
perceived,
believe
it
or
not,
in
the
past
as
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible
by
most
of
the
people
that
were
close
to
me.
That
would
just
happen,
right?
But
I
wouldn't
feel
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible.
I
would
act
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible.
But
my
ego
wouldn't
allow
me
to
take
credit
for
being
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible.
But,
you
know,
as
I
started
to
work
with
other
alcoholics,
as
I
started
to
sponsor
people,
I
started
to
think,
this
idiot
is
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible,
right?
So
there's
a
lot
of
growing
that
happens
in
alcoholic
synonymous.
You
know,
I
really
don't
feel
that
way
anymore.
I
know
about
what
we're
up
against.
We're
up
against
alcoholism.
And
is
somebody
that
we're
working
with
going
to
come
off
as
weak,
stupid,
and
irresponsible?
Yes.
But
are
they
really?
I
don't
believe
that.
I
believe
alcoholism
is
a
condition.
That's
what
I
believe
it
is.
And
I
believe
as
part
of
that
condition
is
an
extraordinarily
difficult
relationship
with
self.
And
that's
part,
that's
an
aspect
of
the
illness.
And,
you
know,
I'll
be
working
with
a
new
person
and
You
know,
I
will,
you
know,
I'll
be
taken
aback
at
some
of
the
behavior
or
some
of,
you
know,
some
of
the
thoughts
that
are
coming
out
of
their
head.
And
once
more,
I'll
remember,
you
know,
really
what
we're
up
against.
Alcoholism
is
cunning,
powerful,
and
very
baffling.
It's
an
enormously
impactful
condition
to
have.
Nine
out
of
ten
alcoholics
die
from
alcoholism.
You
know,
we're
going
to
die
with
alcoholism,
but
hopefully
we're
not
going
to
die
from
it.
And
we're
a
lucky
small
percentage
of
people
that's
afflicted
with
this.
We've
got
a
chance
to
pay
attention
to
the
things
that
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
and
do
our
job
as
Alcoholics
Anonymous
members.
Now,
I'm
going
to
do
another
couple
of
readings
that
have
little
or
nothing
to
do
with
6
and
7.
And
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
bad
news
first.
You
know,
if
you're
new,
you'll
see
this
is
bad
news.
Unless
each
AA
member,
this
is
from
page
174.
Bill
hid
this
in
Tradition
9.
He
really
was
careful
about
who
was
going
to
be
seeing
this.
It
says,
unless
each
AA
member
follows
to
the
best
of
their
ability
our
suggested
12
steps
to
recovery,
they
almost
certainly
sign
their
own
death
warrant.
Uh-oh.
I
mean,
think
about
that.
That's
serious,
right?
That
means
we
need
to
be
doing
our
job
with
these
12
steps.
Or
we're
not
expected
to
stay
sober.
We're
signing
our
own
death
warrant.
And
then
it
says,
this
is
my
favorite
part,
it
says
their
drunkenness
and
disillusion
are
not
penalties
inflicted
by
people
in
authority.
They
result
from
their
personal
disobedience
to
spiritual
principles.
I
know
in
my
heart,
if
I
get
drunk
again,
it's
going
to
be
directly
related
to
my
personal
disobedience
to
spiritual
principles.
Don't
you
feel
somewhere
in
your
heart
that
that's
true?
You
know,
I
want
to
say
I
got
drunk
because
she
left,
but
I
got
drunk
when
she
showed
up.
I
want
to
say
I
got
drunk
because
I
lost
my
job.
But
I
got
drunk
when
I
got
promoted.
You
know,
it's
not
causal
in
that
way.
It's
attached
to
my
relationship
with
spiritual
principles.
Now
that's
the
bad
news.
Here's
the
good
news.
This
is
from
the
forward
to
the
12
and
12.
12
by
12.
AA's
12
steps
are
a
group
of
principles,
spiritual
in
their
nature,
which,
if
practiced
as
a
way
of
life,
can
expel
the
obsession
to
drink
and
enable
the
sufferer
to
become
happily
and
usefully
whole.
It's
my
favorite
paragraph
in
any
of
the
literature.
So
let's
unpack
that
a
little
bit.
The
12
steps
are
a
group
of
principles
that
are
spiritual.
These
are
spiritual
principles.
The
12
step
exercises
come
from
spiritual
traditions
that
come
from
religious
traditions
and
they've
been
around
a
gazillion
years.
And
that's
what
our
principles
are.
And
if
we
practice
these
as
a
way
of
life,
They'll
expel
the
obsession
to
drink.
They'll
keep
us
safe
and
protected
from
the
next
drink,
which
I
would
say
is
important
if
you're
in
this
room.
And
enable
me
to
become
happily
and
usefully
whole.
That's
the
brass
ring.
I'd
do
it
if
it
just
kept
away
the
booze.
But
it
not
only
keeps
away
the
booze,
it
enables
me
to
become
happily
and
usefully
whole
with
a
W.
That's
what
I
always
wanted
to
be.
I
always
wanted
to
be
happy.
I
feel
like
crap.
I'm
going
to
buy
a
gallon
of
vodka.
That'll
make
me
happy.
I
always
wanted
to
be
happy.
Useful.
I'm
going
to
get
some
cocaine.
And
then,
you
know,
I'm
going
to
go
to
work
and
I'll
work
choices
hard.
Always
wanted
to
be
useful.
But
I
was
operating
from
self,
you
know,
which
is
really,
that's
the
wrong
platform
to
be
coming
from.
You
know,
if
I
practice
these
12
steps
as
a
way
of
life,
I'll
be
happily
and
usefully
whole
and
the
alcohol
problem
will
be
removed.
I
believe
I've
been
released
from
alcohol.
I
don't
believe
I
quit.
I
believe
I
was
released.
And
the
things
that
I
do
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous
and
the
spiritual
principles
that
I
engage
in
very
imperfectly
and
try
to
practice,
that's
an
expression
of
my
gratitude
from
the
release.
You
know,
I
don't
do
these
things
to
stay
sober.
I'm
sober.
I've
been
released.
I
do
these
things
out
of
an
expression
of
gratitude.
You
know,
I've
been
reconnected
to
you.
I've
been
reconnected
to
God.
And
I'm
happy
and
I'm
useful
and
I
feel
whole.
You
know,
before
I
even
started
drinking
and
when
I
was
drinking,
I
didn't
feel
whole.
There
was
something
drastic
that
was
missing.
Sometimes
I
couldn't
even
describe
what
was
missing
and
what
I
didn't
have
and
what
felt
empty
in
me.
But
I
wasn't
whole.
You
know,
today
I'm
whole.
I
just
I
don't
need
a
lot.
You
know,
I
need,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
pretty
cool
just
motoring
through
life.
And
and
that
leads
me.
I
want
to
I
want
to
start.
On
a
paragraph,
the
paragraph
before
the
big
book
moves
us
into
steps
six
and
seven.
Because
I
see
this
today
as
a
true
contemplative
spiritual
exercise
that
I
missed.
The
first
half
a
dozen
times
I
went
through
the
steps,
I
missed
this.
You
know,
I'm
impatient.
You
know,
I
want
to
get
on
with
it.
I
want
to
check
the
box.
And
I
miss
this,
and
I
think
it's
very,
very
important.
And
it's
the
returning
home
exercise,
okay?
Returning
home,
we
find
a
place
where
we
can
be
quiet
for
an
hour,
carefully
reviewing
what
we
have
done.
We
thank
God
from
the
bottom
of
our
heart
that
we
know
Him
better.
When
it
says
we
thank
God,
we
is
us,
you
know?
Self
is
a
condition.
But
when
it
says
we,
it
means
you,
right?
uh
so
that's
a
prayer
directive
we're
supposed
to
say
that
prayer
taking
this
book
down
from
our
shelf
we
turn
to
the
page
which
contains
the
12
steps
carefully
reading
the
first
five
proposals
we
ask
if
we've
omitted
anything
for
we're
building
an
arch
through
which
we
shall
walk
free
now
Now,
I'm
supposed
to
go
into
an
hour's
worth
of
quiet
contemplation
about
the
details
of
the
first
five
steps.
I'm
supposed
to
go
over
them.
I'm
supposed
to
ask
myself,
is
there
anything
I've
left
out?
Is
every
single
stone
overturned?
Have
I
done
my
job
with
this
stuff?
So
how
I
do
that
is
every
time
I
go
through
the
steps,
I
re-examine
step
one.
I
re-examine
step
one.
If
I
put
alcohol
into
my
body
right
now,
do
I
know
what
would
happen?
I
know
one
thing
that
would
happen.
My
body
would
want
more
alcohol.
I
look
at
the
obsession
of
the
mind.
Am
I
able,
using
my
own
willpower,
able
to
stay
away
from
alcohol
by
deciding
to?
My
whole
life's
experience
shows
me
that
no,
I
can't.
Deciding
not
to
drink
is
a
good
thing,
but
it's
not
going
to
keep
me
from
drinking.
So
I
look
at
that.
I
look
at.
The
manageability
of
my
life.
What
am
I
trying
to
manage?
It's
really
funny.
You
know,
I've
done
inventory
with
a
billion
people.
And
I
got
to
tell
you,
it's
always
work,
it's
always
family,
and
it's
always
relationships
that
show
up
in
the
four-step
inventory.
And
that's
always
the
stuff
that
we're
trying
to
manage.
You
know,
so
so
I
look
at
it.
Is
my
life
truly,
truly
only
manageable
by
seeking
direction
and
power
from
God?
I
need
to
I
need
to
look
at
that.
Am
I
willing
to
believe
that
there's
a
power
greater
than
myself
that
can
restore
me
to
sanity?
I
need
to
look
at
that.
And
today
I
can
actually
say
I'm
not
willing
to
believe
I
know.
I
know
there's
a
power
greater
than
myself.
I
may
not
know
every
aspect
of
that
power.
I
may
not
be
able
to
describe
that
power
adequately
to
you.
You
know,
if
you
ask
me
what,
you
know,
what
God
is.
But
I
know
because
I've
got
an
experience
with
God.
I've
got
an
experience
with
God
doing
for
me
what
I
could
not
do
for
myself.
So
I
look
at
that
step,
too.
And
I
also
look
over
step
three
again.
Did
I
make
a
decision
to
turn
my
will
and
my
life
over
to
the
care
of
God?
Did
I
make
that
decision?
Did
I
mean
it?
Was
it
just
lip
service?
Was
it
just
me
doing
the
prayer?
Or
was
it
a
real
decision
to
move
forward
with
this
body
of
work?
Was
that
really
what
my
decision
was?
And
then
I
look
over
the
fourth
step.
Have
I
left
out
any
resentments?
Am
I
worried
that
if
I
put
a
resentment
down,
my
sponsor's
going
to
make
me
make
amends
to
the
son
of
a
bitch?
You
know?
Have
I
left
that
one
out?
Oops!
You
know?
Am
I
really
being
honest
with
this
inventory?
Have
I
really
shared
everything?
Did
I
share
Tallahassee
77
with
my
sponsor?
The
thing
that
I
swore
I
would
never
tell
anybody
ever.
Have
I
been
honest
with
my
sponsor
or
someone
about
that?
Then
it
basically
says,
if
we
can
answer
to
our
satisfaction,
if
we
can
answer
what
to
our
satisfaction?
That
we've
gone
into
contemplation
and
we've
looked
over
the
first
five
steps
and
we
can
say,
yes,
we've
actually
done
the
best
that
we
can
do.
Whatever
state
of
mind
we
are
at
the
time,
we've
done
the
best
that
we
can
do.
I
can
say
yes.
If
I
answer
to
my
satisfaction,
then
we
look
at
step
six.
We've
emphasized
willingness
as
being
indispensable.
Willingness
is
everything.
Step
six
is
like
the
whole
ball
of
wax.
It
really
is.
I
need
to
become
willing
to
look
at
my
alcoholism
and
admit
to
my
alcoholism.
I
need
to
become
willing
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
a
power
greater
than
myself
solving
my
problem.
I
need
to
become
willing
to
make
a
decision
to
turn
my
will
and
my
life
over
to
the
care
of
God.
I
need
to
become
willing
to
do
a
four-step
inventory.
I
need
to
become
willing
to
do
a
fifth
step.
So
willingness
has
been
a
part
of
all
five
of
these
first
proposals.
And
it's
a
part
of
all
the
rest
of
them
too.
And
what
is
my
willingness
based
on?
What
is
my
willingness
based
on?
My
willingness
has
to
go
back
to
step
one.
It
has
to
go
back
to
powerlessness.
It
has
to
go
back
to
alcohol.
Alcoholism
is
a
progressively
fatal
illness.
I've
got
to
attach
it
back
to
that
for
me
to
be
willing.
These
steps
aren't
something
I
was
just
about
to
do
before
I
showed
up
here.
You
know?
They
go
counter
to
everything
that
I've
believed
about
myself.
They're
clumsy.
They're
uncomfortable.
They
may
not
be
necessary
in
my
case.
Have
you
ever
said
that
about
a
step?
Raise
your
hand.
Everybody.
I
know
what
that
step
is.
I
know
what
you're
talking
about.
But
I
don't
think
that
would
be
necessary
in
my
case.
Got
to
be
willing.
Got
to
be
willing
to
do
it,
even
if
it's
not
necessary
in
your
case.
You
know
how
you
become
an
AA
member
in
good
standing
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous?
When
your
sponsor
tells
you
to
do
something
that's
stupid
and
won't
be
necessary
in
your
case,
you
do
it.
That's
how
you
become
an
Alcoholics
Anonymous
member
in
good
standing.
Are
we
now
ready
to
let
God
remove
from
us
all
the
things
that
we've
admitted
are
objectionable?
Now,
when
I
first
looked
at
this
step,
right,
I
thought,
you
know,
this
is
kind
of
a
cop-out.
You
know,
just
give
it
to
God?
You
know,
let
God
remove
it?
You
know,
don't
I
have
to
get
character
defects
for
dummies?
You
know,
or
something?
Isn't
there
like
a
whole
lot
of
work?
You
know,
that's
going
to...
And...
You
know,
I
don't
believe
that.
Then
he
goes,
you
know,
can
he
now
take
them
all,
every
one?
If
we
still
cling
to
something,
we
will
not
let
go.
We
ask
God
to
help
us
be
willing.
So
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
there
were
some
things
I
didn't
want
to
let
go
of.
You
know,
like
if
you
want
me
to
let
go
of
lust,
I
may
never
get
laid
again
if
I
do
that.
You
know,
hold
on
a
minute.
So
there's
some
things
that
I
have
to
pray
for
the
willingness.
When
ready,
we
say
something
like
this.
My
creator,
I
am
now
willing
that
you
should
have
all
of
me
good
in
bed.
I
pray
that
you
now
remove
from
me
every
single
defect
of
character
which
stands
in
the
way
of
my
usefulness
to
you
and
my
fellows.
Grant
me
strength
as
I
go
out
from
here
to
do
your
bidding.
So
looking
really
closely
at
this
prayer,
this
isn't
a
prayer
that...
You
know,
this
isn't
a
self-prayer.
You
know,
you
can
buy
all
the
self-books
that
are
out.
Go
to
the
self-help
section.
Oh,
my
God.
You
know,
without
alcoholics,
there
wouldn't
be
all
those
books.
There's
self-help
books.
This
isn't
a
self-prayer,
you
know.
I
remember
one
time,
you
know,
my
sponsor
showed
up
at
my
house.
It
was
the
first
time
he
came
unannounced.
You
ever
had
a
sponsor
show
up
at
your
house
unannounced?
Hey,
hey,
Phil.
And
he
goes
up,
you
know,
we
go
up
to
my
room
and
I've
got
books.
I
got
books.
I'm
a
reader.
I've
always,
I
used
to
read
in
blackouts.
You
know,
it
was
good
because
you
could
read
the
same
book
a
lot.
But,
you
know,
and
he's
looking
through
my
books,
you
know.
He's
like
one
of
those
sponsors
that
wants
to,
you
know,
like
pry.
And
he
goes,
Chris,
man,
you've
got
a
lot
of
self-help
books
here.
You've
got
a
lot
of
self-help
books.
I'm
like,
yeah,
Phil,
yeah,
yeah.
He
goes,
can
I
ask
you
a
question?
I
go,
sure.
He
goes,
where's
your
help
others
books?
And
I
go,
uh...
I'm
unfamiliar
with
that
category,
Phil.
Where
would
you
find
those
in
the
Barnes
and
Noble?
Isn't
that
just
like
us?
I
read
everything.
The
Joy
of
Resentment,
How
to
Win
Friends
and
Influence
People
Through
Tyranny.
I
had
them
all.
I'm
okay.
You're
really
screwed
up.
I
had
every
one
of
those
books.
And
you
know
what
they
would
do?
They
would
make
me
feel
a
little
warm
and
fuzzy
and
kind
of,
you
know,
comfortable
for
about
five
minutes
until
my
selfishness
bulldozed
over
any
concepts
that,
you
know,
I
gained
intellectually.
They
were
never
of
any
help.
So
this
prayer
is
about
fitting
me
to
be
useful.
Here's
the
thing.
I
truly
believe
this
today.
I
believe
that
these
steps
and
the
spiritual
awakening
that's
resultant
from
these
steps
does
not
make
me
a
perfect
person.
It
does
not
render
me
perfect.
And
I'm
glad
of
that.
Okay?
Anybody
in
here
ever
have
a
perfect
person
show
up
at
your
house?
You
know
what
I
mean?
Like...
make
you
look
bad
you
should
be
more
like
Harry
he's
going
to
law
school
he's
got
a
nice
girl
screw
Harry
I
hate
Harry
so
I'm
glad
it's
not
going
to
make
me
perfect
sometimes
our
imperfections
is
what
makes
us
lovable
I
know
that
sounds
crazy
but
it's
true
you
know
what
this
stuff
renders
me
It
renders
me
useful.
Some
of
the
character
defects
that
I
became
released
from
early
on
were
the
ones
that
were
blocking
off
from
me
being
able
to
communicate
and
be
helpful
to
you.
Those
were
the
ones
that
were
the
first
to
go
out
the
window.
Do
I
have
some
character
defects
that
are
still
hanging
on?
Yeah,
of
course.
I
think
most,
if
not
all,
of
us
do.
But
enough
of
these
character
defects
have
been
released
for
me
to
be
really,
really
useful
today.
And
the
thing
about
going
to
God
with
this,
listen
to
this,
it
says,
it
says
this,
Grant
me
strength
as
I
go
out
from
here
to
do
your
bidding.
Amen.
We
have
then
completed
step
seven,
period.
End
of
statement.
We've
completed
step
seven
by
saying
this
prayer.
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
an
irresponsible
thing
too.
Okay,
I've
just
thrown
it
at
God.
God,
here's
all
the
crap.
See
you
later.
Isn't
there
like
tons
of
stuff
I
need
to
do?
No.
And
and
so
I've
given
this
to
God.
Why?
Because
there's
nothing
else.
That's
why.
That's
why
there's
nothing
else.
I
can't
change
this
stuff.
You
know,
I'm
prey
to
misery
and
depression
and
self-centered
fear
and
anxiety.
I'm
prey
to
that
stuff.
Someone
was
talking
about
being
prey
to
that
stuff,
right?
If
I
could
have
done
a
better
job,
I
would
have.
I
believe
this
today.
I
believe
this
today.
That
I'm
not
responsible
for
all
this
stuff,
but
I
must
be
accountable
for
it.
If
I'm
driven
by
alcoholism,
if
I'm
driven
from
self-will,
if
I'm
powerless
over
alcohol,
what
else
could
I
have
done
but
what
I
did?
But
I
need
to
be
accountable.
And
it
starts
right
after
it
says
we've
then
completed
step
seven.
It
starts
to
move
us
into
the
accountability
phase.
that
I
feel
is
the
real
change
agent
for
us
as
going
concerns.
I
really
do.
It's
a
crazy
thing.
I've
heard
some
examples.
I'm
going
to
share
them
with
you
now.
They're
not
mine,
but
you
know
how
we
steal
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
It's
not
really
stealing.
We're
borrowing.
So
I've
borrowed
a
couple
of
things.
And
one
of
the
things
I've
borrowed
is
this.
All
right,
let's
say
you're
really
serious
about
this
character
defect
stuff.
You
know,
you
want
to
be
useful.
You
want
these
character
defects
to
be
removed.
Here's
what
I
would
like
you
to
do.
I
would
like
you
to
go
to
10
of
the
people
that
know
you
the
best.
10
of
the
people
that
really
know
you
the
best.
Family,
close
friends,
bosses.
And
I
want
you
to
go
to
them
and
hand
them
a
notebook
and
a
pen
and
say,
I'm
involved
in
a
spiritual
program
and
it's
life
or
death.
This
really,
really
is
really
important.
And
for
you
to
be
really,
really
honest
with
me
is
going
to
be
really
important
to
whether
I
survive
this
thing
I'm
going
through.
I
would
like
you
to
list
out
every
single
character
defect
that
you
see
showing
up
in
me.
There's
not
a
one
of
us
in
here
that's
going
to
do
that.
Okay?
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
we
don't
even
want
to
know
sometimes
what
our
character
defects
are,
let
alone,
you
know.
So
why
are
we
going
to
God?
Why
are
we
going
to
God?
Because
of
stuff
like
that.
You
know
what
I
mean?
Here's
another
one.
I
got
this
one
from,
I
got
this
one
from,
I
think
at
the
power
of
now.
So
little
Joey
is,
you
know,
12
years
old,
right?
He's
on
a,
he's
on
a
baseball
team
and
he
starts
to
get,
he
starts
to
get,
he's
got
a
big
game
tomorrow.
He
starts
to
get
a
toothache.
Now,
what
his
experience
is,
is
when
he
goes
to
his
mother
and
he
says,
Mom,
I've
got
a
toothache.
She
she
grinds
up
some
aspirin,
gives
him
some
aspirin.
It
takes
away
the
pain.
And
that's
good.
You
know,
that's
good.
But
he
doesn't
do
that.
OK,
what
he
does
is
he
waits
for
it
to
go
away.
You
know,
it'll
go
away.
It'll
go
away.
And
and
as
the
day
and
the
night
progresses,
it
starts
to
get
worse.
And
he
goes
to
bed
just
hoping
it's
finally
wakes
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
He
can't
take
it
anymore.
He
goes
into
his
mother.
He
goes,
Mom,
I
got
a
toothache.
And
she
grinds
up
the
aspirin.
She
gives
it
to
him
and
and
he's
able
to
go
back
to
bed.
Why
did
he
wait?
Well,
he
waited
because
he
knows,
yeah,
she'll
grind
up
the
aspirin
and
give
it
to
him
and
his
toothache
will
go
away.
But
tomorrow
there's
going
to
be
an
appointment
with
Dr.
Mengele,
the
dentist.
And
he's
going
to
go
to
this
dentist
and
there's
going
to
be
a
big
bucket
for
the
blood
and
a
needle
about
this
long
and
a
drill
that's
going
to
smoke
and
there's
going
to
be
all
this
pain
and
he's
going
to
walk
out
with
a
straight
first
drill
and
he
won't
be
able
to
talk.
You
know,
All
he
wanted
was
the
pain
to
stop.
You
know,
he
didn't
want
his
tooth
to
be
perfect.
And
he's
going
to
walk
out
with
perfect
teeth
after
he
goes
to
the
dentist.
So
many
of
us
are
like
that.
You
know,
we
don't
want
the
perfection
of
God's
vision
for
us.
We
just
want
the
pain
to
stop.
You
know?
And
this
particular
step
is
taking
care
of
that
problem.
We're
asking
God
in.
You
know,
in
the
early
days
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
they
would
make
a
third
step
decision,
right?
And
we
thought
well
before
we
took
this
step,
it
says
in
the
book
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
And
there
was
also
some
mention
earlier
on
about,
you
know,
how
significant
a
decision
this
was,
especially
in
the
early
days.
And
it's
because
when
you
ask
God
to
take
direction
and
control
of
your
life
and
your
thoughts
and
all
this
stuff,
there's
no
going
back
from
that.
You
know
what
I
mean?
You've
invited
God
in.
God's
going
to
come
in.
There's
no
going
back
from
it.
I
hear
all
the
time
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
I
gave
my
will,
I
took
my
will
back.
There's
no
taking
it
back
when
you
do
the
third
step.
There's
no
taking
it
back.
If
you
drink
after
you've
done
a
third
step,
it's
part
of
that
third
step
decision
and
part
of
what
you're
going
to
need
to
experience.
There's
no
going
back
from
that
third
step.
That's
why
we
think
well
about
it.
We've
invited
God
in
and
now
God
has
to
be
part
of
this
experience.
You
know,
God
has
to
be
front
and
center
in
everything.
In
this
Alcoholics
Anonymous
experience.
Why?
Because
there's
nothing
else.
We're
beyond
human
aid.
You
know,
we're
beyond
human
aid.
So,
so
step
six
and
step
seven.
They
talk
about
humility.
Bill
Wilson,
as
he
matured,
he
was
maybe
four
or
five
years
sober
when
the
big
book
was
written,
and
he
was
maybe
15
or
20
years
sober
when
the
12
and
12
was
written.
Well,
by
the
time
he
started
penning
the
stuff
in
the
12
and
12,
he
was
talking
a
lot
about
humility.
Humility,
as
I
see
it,
everybody's
got
a
different
definition
of
it,
right?
Humility,
as
I
see
it,
is
an
accurate
self-appraisal.
Something
I
could
not
do
before
I
experienced
recovery.
You
know,
I
would
always
get
it
wrong.
I
would
always
be
worse
than
you
or
better
than
you.
You
know,
I
never
had
an
accurate
perception
of
where,
you
know,
what
kind
of
a
role
I'm
playing
on
this
planet.
I
just
didn't.
But
with
the
awakened
spirit,
sometimes,
you
know,
we
can
see
things
clearly.
And
part
of
that
is
an
experience
of
humility.
And
I
believe
humility
is
Being
able
to
accurately
appraise
where
we
fit
into
the
puzzle
of
life.
I
had
a
guy
who
was
very
important
to
me.
I
know
he's
very
important
to
Peter
and
a
lot
of
us
in
here.
His
name
was
Mark
Houston.
In
some
of
his
workshops,
he
would
use
this
book
when
he
got
to
step
six
and
step
seven.
Because
a
lot
of
times
I
think
it's
helpful.
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessary,
but
it's
helpful
for
us
to
recognize
the
real
problem.
The
more
we
understand
the
problem.
When
I
showed
up
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
I
was
working
on
the
wrong
problem.
I
was
basing
my
whole
Alcoholics
Anonymous
experience
on
separating
myself
from
vodka,
doing
it
myself.
And
that
was
working
on
the
wrong
problem.
The
wrong
problem
was
I
had
alcoholism.
I
had
toxic
selfishness
and
self-centeredness.
And
I'm
working
in
an
AA
program
based
on
separation
from
alcohol.
So
if
you
work
on
the
wrong
problem,
sometimes
it's
not
good.
So
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
this
book,
St.
Augustine.
He
lived,
I
think,
in
the
400s.
So
that
would
be,
what,
1600
years
ago?
Jack,
you
know
the
math?
You
know,
a
long
time
ago.
He's
an
old
geezer
by
now.
And
what
he
was,
was
he
was
one
of
the
desert
fathers.
There
was
these
mystics
back
in
the
day.
And
what
they
would
do
is
they
would
renounce
everything
and
they
would
go
out
into
the
desert
where
they
couldn't
be
influenced
by
the
debauchery
of
the
day.
And
they
would
set
up
like
a
spiritual
encampment
somewhere
where...
where
they
could
go
deep
in,
really
try
to
get
an
experience
and
a
connection
to
God.
They
were
the
mystics
and
the
desert
fathers.
And
this
guy,
St.
Augustine,
started
this...
It
would
look
like
a
commune
to
us
today,
but
he
started
this
group
of
people
out
in
the
desert,
right?
And
he
had
a
lot
of
sponsees,
okay?
He
was
like
the
religious
leader
and
he
had
all
these
guys
that
were
coming,
you
know,
just
like
somebody
that
sponsored
50
guys.
And
they
were
misbehaving.
Can
you
imagine?
They
were
causing
trouble.
Anybody
in
here
sponsor
10
or
more
people?
You
know
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about.
There's
like
mass
misbehavior.
And
so
what
he
did
was
he
put
together
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
a
prayer
book.
And
basically
what
it
was,
was
it
was
spiritual
exercises
for
his
disciples.
sponsees
to
take
so
that
they
could
recognize
what
kind
of
horse's
asses
they
were.
And
why
I
like
this
book
is
because
it
identifies
about
30
character
defects.
And
then
it
gives
a
really
accurate
description
of
what
those
character
defects
are.
I'll
just
read
a
couple.
All
right,
Pride.
You
know,
when
I
say
pride,
something
will
pop
into
your
head.
This
is
how
he
describes
pride.
Pride
is
putting
self
in
the
place
of
God
as
the
center
and
objective
of
our
life
or
of
some
department
thereof.
It
is
the
refusal
to
recognize
our
status
as
creatures
dependent
on
God
for
our
existence
and
placed
by
him
in
a
specific
relationship
to
the
rest
of
his
creation.
That's
a
cool
description.
And
was
I
operating
opposite
of
that?
You're
darn
right.
I'll
read
a
couple
more.
Envy.
Envy
is
dissatisfaction
with
our
place
in
God's
order
of
creation
manifested
in
begrudging
His
gifts
and
vocation
to
others.
Arrogance.
Insisting
that
others
conform
to
our
wishes,
recognize
our
leadership...
accept
our
own
estimate
of
our
worth,
being
overbearing,
argumentative,
opinionated,
and
obstinate.
Anybody
guilty
of
any
of
this
stuff
yet?
Yeah,
so,
if
I
could
have
done
better,
I
would
have.
You
know
what
I
mean?
God,
please
help.
So
the
whole
process
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
you
know,
it
helped
me
so
much
really
looking
as
deeply
as
I
could
into
the
history
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
What
really
were
Bob
and
Bill
and
all
these
guys,
what
were
they
really
doing?
You
know,
where
did
they
come
from?
It
really
helped
me.
Because
they
went
from
self-dependence
to
God-dependence.
They
knew
that
was
going
to
be
the
solution.
You
know,
one
of
the
books
Bill
read
and
was
really,
really
influenced
by
was
their
Varieties
of
Religious
Experience.
That
was
a
book
that
was
written
in
1901
or
something,
you
know,
and
it's
tough
going
through.
If
you've
got
less
than
a
year,
you
know,
let
your
sponsor
give
you
a
synopsis.
45
feet
long
sentences
and
stuff
but
I
just
recently
went
through
it
again
I
tried
to
read
it
with
like
two
years
and
it
was
just
you
know
how
alcoholics
read
they'll
actually
be
reading
and
thinking
about
something
else
what
did
you
just
read?
I
don't
know
you
actually
did
read
it
but
you
were
thinking
about
the
Mets
or
something
So
I
really
tried
to
concentrate,
and
I
tried
to
get
through
this
just
in
the
last
year.
And
it's
interesting.
Chapters
9
through
11
deal
with
people
like
us.
And
there
was
an
example
in
this
book
that
I
think
Bill
Wilson
was
very
much
inspired
by.
And
it
was
this
preacher
called
Billy
Sunday.
And
Billy
Sunday
was
this
preacher
in
the
mid-1800s
who'd
do
the
tent
revival
things,
and
he
specifically
went
after
drunks.
He
went
after
drunks
and
he'd
bring
you
up
and
you'd
declare
your
faith
in
God
and
you'd
do
the
whole
like
Billy
Graham
crusade-esque
kind
of
a
thing.
And
then
hang
with
him
for
a
while
and
he
was
producing
a
lot
of
recoveries
from
alcoholism.
The
Oxford
Group.
The
Oxford
Group
was
the
same
kind
of
thing.
The
Oxford
Group
was
a
group
of
people
who
took
first
century
Christian
spiritual
principles
and
tried
to
live
them.
you
know,
really,
really
tried
to
live
them.
And
they
weren't
a
church,
so
to
speak.
They
were
more
of
like
a
group
of
people
who
decided,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
through
the
steps
together.
It
was
kind
of
like
that,
you
know.
And
these
people
from
the
Oxford
group
would
do
things
like
witness.
They
would
do
restitution.
They
would
do
surrender.
And
there
were
all
these
principles
in
the
Oxford
group
They
brought
about
a
lot
of
recoveries.
Here's
the
funny
thing.
There
were
tons
of
recoveries
in
the
Oxford
group
before
Bill
Wilson
got
sober.
Bill
Wilson
isn't
even
the
first
person
to
write
a
book
about
recovering
from
alcoholism
who
was
in
the
Oxford
group.
I
know
of
at
least
three.
And
the
titles
are
great.
The
Big
Bender,
I
Was
a
Pagan,
For
Sinners
Only.
You
can
find
these
books.
They
were
books
written
by
Oxford
Group
members
that
show
examples
of
people
who
have
recovered
from
alcoholism
by
turning
their
will
and
their
life
over
to
the
care
of
God.
This
wasn't
a
brand
new
idea,
this
Alcoholics
Anonymous
thing.
They
tried
to
figure
out
what
worked.
There
were
psychological
ways,
non-religious
psychological
ways.
that
were
being
practiced
back
then.
There's
a
great
book.
It's
called
The
Common
Sense
of
Drinking.
And
it
would
be
like
Rational
Recovery
is
today
or
something,
right?
You
know,
not
a
lot
of
God
in
it,
just
the
common
sense
of
drinking.
It's
dumb
to
drink,
okay?
The
common
sense
of
drinking.
You
know
anybody
that's
gotten
sober
off
of
that
book?
You
know?
Why
are
we
going
to
God?
Because
there's
nothing
else.
There
really,
really
is
nothing
else.
You
know,
I
don't
have
anything
more
I
can
share
on
Step
6
and
7
without
just
starting
to
blither.
So,
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
do?
I'm
going
to
cut
this
off,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here.
This
has
really
been
a
fun
weekend
for
me.