The topic of "How the programme helps with relationships" at DAA 1th anniversary convention in Oxford, UK
I
enjoy
public
speaking
as
much
as
I
like
stubbing
my
toe,
and
I
don't
like
that
echo
either.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
asking
me
to
share
and
thank
you,
Oxford.
Putting
this
on,
I
think
it's
a
really
great
opportunity
for
different
regions
of
DA
to
meet
up
and
share
our
experience.
I'm
really
nervous.
I'm
really
glad
today
that
I
know
what
I
suffer
from
and
that's
not
always
been
the
case.
My
experience
in
recovery
has
been
I
cleaned
up
when
I
was
20
in
1994
and
I
managed
to
get
about
13
years
clean.
I
worked
the
steps
up
until
about
step
8
and
what
I
focused
more
on
was
building
a
life.
You
know,
getting
all
those
trappings
that
come
with
being
clean,
providing
some
different
parent
in
for
my
son,
getting
educated.
And
I
suppose
what
I
know
today
is,
is
that
I
don't
use
because
of
external
circumstances,
like
my
biggest
defective
character
is
my
own
alcoholic
mind.
And
it's
my
own
alcoholic
mind
that
will
get
me
started.
And
there'll
be
a
reason
why
I'm
kind
of
like
sharing
this
experience.
So
yeah,
that's
what
I
focused
on
and,
and
my
thinking
started
to
change
and
my
internal
manageability
started
to
become
quite
prevalent,
quite
unbearable.
Carlos
spoke
about
being
dry
drunk,
but
I
didn't
realise
that
I
was
dry
drunk.
I
felt
stressed.
My
gratitude
went
out
the
window
and
I
got
this
false
sense
of
entitlement
of
what
recovery
should
look
like.
And
there
is
also
changes
in
my
attitude
and
my
thinking
and
that
I
started
to
believe
that
I
would
never
use
drugs
again
and
and
This
is
why
I
continue
to
work
the
steps
is
because
of
the
blank
spot
and
that
peculiar
mental
twist.
So
my
experience
was
I
ended
up
picking
up
because
I
needed
that
relief
from
myself.
I
can't
do
life.
I
can't
do
life
without
spiritual
program,
you
know?
I'm
like
a
wasp
in
a
jam
jar,
like
I'm
always
in
collision.
And
so
I
ended
up
picking
up
painkillers
and
those
two
pills
took
me
out
for
nine
years.
Like
that's
how
I
insane
I
am.
And
I
think
as
well,
you
know,
for
me
it
was
a
really,
really
torturous
and
I
and
I
suffered
a
lot.
And
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
relationships
and
we're
talking
about
the
steps,
you
know,
my
mum
probably
got
to
the
place
where
she
thought
her
daughter
would
never
have
a
problem
with
drugs
again.
You
know,
my
son
had
no
experience.
He
was
three
when
I
cleaned
up.
He
had
no
experience
of
me
being
a
user
addict.
And
I
did
more
damage
and
I
proved
more
harm
and
amends
in
that
nine
year
period
than
what
I
ever
did
when
I
was
using
heroin
because
I
had
more
to
lose.
And,
you
know,
I
had
to
learn
all
those
ideas
that
I
thought
I
knew
about
recovery
and
what
the
solution
was.
So
I
had
to
get
to
that
place
where
I
just
didn't
know.
And
you
know,
and
and
thankfully,
by
the
grace
of
God,
drugs
brought
me
to
that
place
where
I
would
rather
die
in
the
news
again.
And
if
I
used
I
was
going
to
die
anyway.
So
I
was
in
that
conundrum,
but
I
reached
the
place
where
I
just
didn't
know
where
the
steps
would
work
for
me.
And
I'm
so
glad
I'm
in
a
fellowship
that
is
not
drug
specific
because
I
experienced
and
I
think
we
all
good
for
it.
Don't
we
like
minimizing
the
denial
like
it's
only
it's
only
pills.
I'm
not
doing
anything.
It's
not
going
to
hire
me.
But
I
was
more
sick,
more
sick
using
those
pills
and
I
use
fatally.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean?
Like
I
would
always
be
making
promises
and
I
guess,
you
know,
for
the
people
around
me
in
my
relationships,
you
know,
my
mum
would
be
in
the
hope
and
the
despair
when
I
used
to
go,
you
know,
because
it
was
so
obvious
what
I
was
doing.
I
was
in
the
mindset
that
I'm
not
really
hurting
anybody
and
like
I
said,
it
took
me
9
years
and
this
sounds
mad
but
I'm
so
grateful
to
know
being
in
a
fellowship
with
a
sponsorship
was
readily
available.
All
I
needed
to
do
was
go
up
to
the
table
and
ask
for
someone
to
help
me.
And
I'm
only
sitting
here
today
giving
someone
cared
enough
about
their
own
life
to
work
their
steps
to
help
me
save
my
own
life.
Because
that's
what
I'm
up
against
today.
Like
I'm
able
to
see
that
when
I
use,
I
don't
know
when
it's
going
to
stop.
I
can't
stop
myself
from
starting.
So
I
need
this
program
in
order
to
stay
clean.
And
I
don't
do
much
different
today
than
what
my
sponsor
give
me
to
do
when
I
first
cleaned
up
again.
Like
there
isn't
much
difference.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean?
The
most
important
relationship
I
need
to
cultivate
is
with
the
power
greater
than
myself
because
for
me,
I
know
human
power
does
not
keep
me
clean.
And
I
know
today
lack
of
power
is
my
problem.
And
I
know
that
because
you'd
think
I
have
to
have
having
thirteen
years
clean,
I
would
be
able
to
have
a
little
pep
talk
with
myself
and
go,
you
can
do
today
you
had
13
years,
but
it
goes
like
that.
It
was
like
it
didn't
even
it
didn't
even
happen.
I
can
remember
certain
things
that
I've
done
when
I
was
cleaning
for
that
period
of
time,
but
it
was
almost
like
it
it
never
happened.
And,
you
know,
my
relationships,
you
know,
in
terms
of
working
the
steps,
I
mean
the
ripple
effect
of
me
working
the
steps,
you
know,
as
I
had
a
pronounced
effect,
not
only
revolutionized
my
life,
it's
revolutionized
the
people
who
love
me.
Because,
you
know,
no
man
is
an
island.
And
I'm
in
a
pretty
unusual
situation
that
I
share
my
Home
group
with
my
son,
which
is
pretty
mental
when
I
think
about
it.
And
he's
a
lovely
lad,
but
it's
mental
because
I've
never
thought
that
I
would
be
having
conversations
like
he'll
say
to
me,
don't
interrupt
me
when
I'm
speaking
to
that
newcomer.
And
I
think,
all
right,
all
right.
And
I'll
go
stop
giving
away
the
just
for
the
day
cards.
They're
not
free,
you
know,
and,
and,
and
we're
quite
close
in
age.
It's
like
17
years
between
us
and
we're
really
close
and,
you
know,
our
relationship
is,
is
just
looked
so
different.
You
know,
I,
I
cleaned
up
this
time,
I
don't
know,
like
4-4
odd
years
ago,
he
was
still
using
and
I've
had
the
experience
of
being
a
mother
as
an
addict.
And
that's
really
painful,
you
know,
because
the
person
that
I
love
most
is
my
own
child.
And
you
can't
give,
give
anyone
that
one.
Like
you
cannot
give
it.
And
the
best
advice
I
was
given
was
stay
out
of
it.
Don't
talk
about
the
steps
of
him.
Just
let
him
find
his
own
way.
And,
and
luckily
this,
this
fellowship
has
met
him
where
he
needs
to
be
at
and
it's
met
me
where
I've
needed
to
be
at.
Like
it
can
meet
you
wherever
you
are,
whether
you're
on
a
script,
using
clean,
untreated,
treated.
You
know,
like
probably
haven't
got
enough
time
to
convey
like
how
passionate
I
am
about
the
12
step
program.
Like
and
it
and
it's
held
me
as
well.
Like
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
like
I
suspected
my
dad
I'd
alcoholic
dementia
and
and
even
though
I
suspected
that,
there
was
still
that
hope
that
it
wouldn't
be
that
diagnosis.
And
and
that's
a
bit
of
pill
to
swallow
that,
you
know,
our
loved
ones
are
not
fortunate
enough
to
access
recovery.
I
mean,
he
had
a
year
sober
once
and
then
he
he's
just
spent
the
last
40
years
spreeing,
you
know,
and
thank
God
today
I
don't
need
to
spree
because
that's
what
I
did
in
those
nine
years
was
I
was
desperately
trying
to
get
back
any
sort
of
recovery
and
it
and
it
just
didn't
happen.
There
wasn't
that
surrender
within
me.
And
today,
you
know,
I
don't
have
to
live
my
life
feeling,
feeling
remorseful
and
guilty.
And
why
do
I
keep
doing
this?
You
know,
because
that
is
the
buffering
feature
of
alcoholism,
is
the
utter
inability
to
leave
it
alone.
And
today
my
disease
has
been
arrested
through
the
12
steps
I've
been
asked
to
stop.
So
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank
you
for
listening.