Pollock Pines, CA

And she will see she's a she's a great gal. She just, they had a,

she's a, she's a titled woman, legitimately titled woman. If you care about such things,

though. She did lots of things in a, a, she wrote some books. She wrote a whole thing. She was kind of a, I don't know. I mean, I, I don't, it's hard for me to talk about. She was an artist and she also wrote stories and she wrote a story. I know that the stories talked about and I would love to find it. He wrote something to people who don't make it. And I would I would certainly like to have read that

first body date.

She was married to Drew Pearson. Does that mean anything? And Deadly of odds and Kennedy Mcgruder,

She didn't mind getting married and unmarried. Her sobriety date is one of 1944.

First month of 44.

Isn't she a funny girl?

It makes sense. Drew Pearson, This course is in the same business he was raised in. You know,

one of the nice things that happened to the Browns when they were there looking, they were so downhearted and the two boys wanted to help so much. And they said, you know, I think grandmothers got a bunch of stuff in storage. We haven't looked at it in 30-40 years out there.

Maybe we could go out there and they went out there and they found a personal diary made from the first stage sober right to the last time she could remember who she was. Oh, what a great sign for them. I mean, when you're on that kind of a trail, It was they could, it wouldn't let them take it away, but they let them bring a copier out there and just, they just copied for days. All this stuff, part of the information. God bless. They did such a wonderful job

get the book life. It's a great story. This next one on 4/18 is Harrison Killebrew

Ki MB ROUGH, so it's going up all over again.

I don't have no data. Survived in 1960.

Pretty short story too.

In fact, as stars don't fall as the longest story,

she hers is longer than Wilson

in her riding 422 upon the second generation

unknown.

We know I come in in 2 of 50, but we don't really know who he is. Both parents joined two years earlier. We know that just from his story,

the last name could be Mansfield, but we don't know.

As the Mansfield came in together,

we'll back up

1960.

The next one is being alcoholic

the day of somebody. For this person at 11 and 47, we don't know who they are. She was listed in Who's Who of America. We know that much about it, but we don't have a name for it.

And of course there stores me an alcoholic. This is stores

and here's a great story. Everybody knows this guy.

Doctor, Doctor. Alcoholic. Addict

and he got sober 12 of 66 and he sent to July to 67.

His death came in 2000.

He one of the funniest guys I've ever heard talk in my life.

His name is Paul Olinger

and his wife was Max.

He took Max down to his hospital where he was on staff because he was crazy

and they ended up keeping him.

One of the first stories here was titled The Bronze Moccasins.

He didn't do well making wallets in there,

but he made some bond moccasin.

It was kind of a joke between them.

They did a lot of speaking together.

They kept him in the book, but they changed the name. I don't like it when they do that, but it's their business.

Change it to acceptance was the answer.

That's the famous part of him. He was a great speaker. He was a very funny guy

and

just they just talk. I mean between the two of these to travel together and speak as a pair, which is pretty funny.

They lost either almost all it says 457. Five time loser wins.

His name is Morris Bourbon.

It came from Long Island, New York.

His data sobriety was December of 71.

He slipped to 91 after 20 years.

He had two years of December 93. He lives in Florida. I believe he's still alive. He works at the Illinois club there.

I believe he's still alive. 5 LB loser.

I've met some people that knew him. I've met met some people who were he was their sponsor.

This one on 464 is called Promoted to Chronic. Her name is Helen Brown.

I do not have a sobriety date for us. He worked at the GS office in New York.

474 is called Menard. His name is Menard Bernard.

He's son of Tall Man. How do you like that one?

He's an Indian, he'll join the tribe. They don't have a society date, but we know he stays sober.

Bell of the ball. We don't know anything about her.

Jen's story. This is a

Jim and his last name was Sharp

and he's a doctor. His dad was a doctor before. He's black, He's in Washington, DC He got sober 11 of 1940, and he actually took the believe this or not, we were at that time racist and black people couldn't come to meetings for a long time, particularly up into 1950. The whole S was segregated,

but he does a great job of staying sober and there's I've got tapes of him. He was supposed to run the conventions 497. This guy's story is our southern friend.

His name is John Henry Fitzhugh. Mayo ers O'Shea how you like that one? OK,

he's from Hancock, Missouri. His data survived. It was 10 or 35. He died in 1943 and never drank again

on a bill. Bill Wilson was the sponsor.

This next guy on 508 is Patrick Delaney. We're getting into the Irish crowd now.

If the body date was 5 of 47, the story is the prisoner freed,

desperate, drinking. He's from Ireland. His name is Pat Devlin on page 512. Devlin out of New York.

Don't know much about him other than that

and we have 517 and we do have some tapes of this guy. Have a whole series of tapes on how Island started. This guys name is Sackville O'Connor Mellon. He is the career officer. He got sober 4/6 of 47

and died. So

Sackville

Melon, last name is Mel. I'll get there in a minute. Let me Sackville O'Connor

melon in the LON the career officer stayed sober. A was started by Irish boys who went back to Ireland and started it in the United States.

Another chance Page 526 Another chance is the Black Lady, the name of Bertha Vincent from Louisville, KY. She got sober 3 of 72.

If you're not getting tired, I am.

Oh, God, the man who lives his life. His name is Bob. His state of sobriety is one of 47. I don't have anything else for you on him. It could have been Edward Roberts, the man who loses his life. Very famous woman from California. Next one, page 544. Her name is Winlaw.

When Wynn win Laws married, a lot of times

he has the prayer in the back of the book, which is about the relief for resentments. Pray for somebody for two weeks,

Sarah Day to survive with seven of 47.

So she slipped after the store was written and made a comeback.

She is a wonderful speaker, very inspiring.

Freedom from Bondage was her name

and of course, my favorite. One of my favorites Bob Pearson a he taught him how to handle sobriety

and he came in July 4th of July 1961 and his wife Betsy came with it as an alanine.

He was Geo sole manager

1974 to 1985.

He said to change the rules after that.

He has a tremendous interesting story. Had philosophical hemorrhages?

You're not supposed to survive them.

And he went to see Doctor Harry Tebow and got his. I told you about the first time he got this guy that seemed to his first meeting never took another gun. Asian guy wrote for the Grapevine at 2 1/2 years. He's a writer by trade. His professional career included writing for Franklin Delano Roosevelt's speech. He's in the military

and he's written lots of stuff. His son is a pretty famous writer.

Bob Harrison.

Bob and Betsy,

we OK. All right, next question.

Yeah, sure. Just remind me, short one that long? I don't know what we're going to do. This be easy for you. My name is Ralph. Alcoholic members handed me a question and they they would like to know, is the Big Book written as a general text intended for others, IE to the wives, the employers, or as the 12 and 12 was specifically written for the alcoholic? And is it true that the 12 and 12 was written with a lot of material that was not okayed for the Big Book?

Well, let's see if I can cover that for you. I'll try to make it easy, as easy as possible. Let's go back to the beginning of the book

in the

where he's talking in the doctor's opinion.

Now let me make sure I can find it here.

Maybe it's in the 1st edition,

getting a little more down, but I'll make it. Hang in there. You can hang in with me. I'll make it OK on X I, I, I and he starts with. We have Alcoholics Anonymous with more than 100 men and women who've recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body.

He dropped down a few lines and he says many do not comprehend. Oh, we think this account of our experience, the book

will help everyone to better understand the alcoholic. So obviously the book is not just written for the alcoholic is written for anyone who wants to understand the alcoholic.

These are comprehend the Alcoholics, a very sick person. And besides, we're sure our way of living hesitant for all all inclusive spiritual principles. OK, now what was the next part of that?

In 1955? Prior to 1955? The 2nd edition of the book

what had happened is AAU UA through the service board of Alcoholics Anonymous had purchased or been given all of the royalties, all of the stock in the big book. And we became the owners of the book and paid Bill Wilson royalties on the book. That everybody clear with that one. OK.

When Bill stepped down in 1955 because Doctor Bob had died, he saw that he wasn't going to live forever. And they did better find a way to create a way of some kind that a A could exist without the two cofounders.

But as long as Bill was alive, you can bet your bottom dollar that nobody did much of anything without talking to him.

He could start a counter revolution in a minute and win it. And so in 1955, prior to that coming out, they decided to write the book. They do things very slowly. And so he wants to rewrite the Big book of Alcoholics Anonymous,

And the board of directors said no.

And as a compromise, he wrote this

they call essay. They were intended to be joined hand in hand to make a further explanation of what he meant here. That's what it was about.

Just get after him. I'm wide awake now. Somebody bring me a Diet Coke. I'll stay tonight. This guy's gonna be mad. Michael. Say we got to go home now. My name is Butch and I'm an alcoholic. What is the history of and how and when did the spiritual experience get into the appendix of the book? I've heard different story

to experience comes in in 55. You won't find it in the 1st edition book.

Same thing as if you get it. That book that the folks brought in here the other day, the 1st edition book. The book starts with page one. Thank you

1.

No, I wind up now

the I'm only about two of these today. This is my 4th one and some candy back there

from Jesse.

Let's try that again. Now, what did the spiritual experience arrive? They added it in 55 because they thought they needed an explanation of what a spiritual experience was. There's confusion about it. Some people thought that you had to have it, like Wilson. Instantaneous mites in the room, wind rushing through on top of mountain tops. Spirit, spirit blowing through you. And I'm looking at you saying, did you have that? You say no. How long you been here? Been here about a month. I've been here about two weeks. I hadn't had it either.

This ain't working. Let's get out of here. So they had to make a further explanation.

I love to hear, well, Ruth Hawks, when he was interviewed, because she was there, she typed the big book.

He has a daughter who's now 29 years sober who used that book to get sober and that he wasn't an alcoholic.

But see new Bill very personally, very personally, very, very close to those people. Now wing anything but nail wing personal experience.

I view anything but Bob Smith Junior. I view most of these people in history. Clarence Snyder,

Jimmy Burwell, all live you

Lono Joe does a history of a A, but it's not. I view

secondary expense. Anything else?

The Bell, Wilson, cheetah and Lawrence? I haven't heard that one yet.

Oh, I thought you'd be interested. Hi. Thank you. Thank you for being here today. This is a friend's question. How many books did Bill Wilson write

here? Let's see if I can remember.

He wrote a a comes of age. He wrote the big book. He wrote the 12 of 12.

I believe he wrote a book called His Wave of Life, which has now been changed. You won one around here.

As Bill sees it,

Doctor Bob and the Good Old Timers wasn't written by him.

Or maybe it was.

I'll have to think on stuff. Well, I would get the book. The latest book to come out

there is a man. I know all of you have seen or have the picture show at home. My name is Bill WI. Don't think anybody in this room hasn't seen that picture. Well, the man who wrote that

intended that to be a, a novel, a a long picture show like Gone With the Wind would be.

And in that he included, and the way he got his information for that was he interviewed Lois when she was in her 90s

on her back porch with a little hand recorder to take his notes from. So we got everything directly from her.

Her part of the book was very large. Usually when you read something about Wilson, it's going to be just Wilson little mention of loss. So in this case, he wanted to make a full story out of it. And so they and he tried to sell it as a big movie in, in, in

movie land out here in Hollywood and they wouldn't buy it. And there's a whole story goes with it. It's almost a God story. And finally, somebody called him up and said we'll make it for a TV movie, which means you had to shorten it.

Talked to Lawless and Lost, always was supporting Bill and said this is really about Bill, so let me just drop me out. So he said I will write a book about you and make a picture about you later. And that book just came out. Isn't he made a picture, but I believe it will be. It is one of the most moving books

from this disease from her eyes that I've ever read and it will bring you if you know anything about their history to tears.

Is all such a personal stories that within it. One of the things that really touched me was when she stood in front of the home their family had lived in for 55 years and the sheriff has taken the home and she's having to leave their only home she really ever knew until stepping stone came. He talks about one time she sat down in New York station. They moved 54 times in the first two years after they lost that home. They lived on welfare of friends.

They had a bill of lowest funds of about $50.00 that was given to them.

They just, they lived in people's houses, they lived in tents. They just said where they were Vagabond, this is where they could. He sat down and cried for an hour. Bill said one time where we never have a home. And eventually stepping tones came through them through

the spiritual, a God sent gift by a woman who who made it possible for them to buy that house out there. And then later on,

as they split the royalties of the big book, Bill insisted that that Doctor Bobby's partner get half, and he did. And Bob's practice came back and he didn't need the money, so he just put it over in the bank

and bill barge some money from him one time to buy some more acreage for the place. It's a gated community. I've never been there, I've just seen pictures. But it's a gated community now. This which means it's a very rich community with lots of acres.

And so when and she lived to be a very old woman, she drew 80% back in a few years ago, 80% of $707,000. She became a millionaire

not just from the writings of Bill, but her own writings. And so she wanted stepping stone. She wanted to give stepping stones to Al Anon

first. You want to give it to a A. They wouldn't take it

and they made her mad.

So she wanted to give it to out on. They wouldn't take it either. We don't take gifts of that size, but they always had someone who could work with her. She was pretty hard set and she they would go out and see her and they talked her into setting up a trust and she funded that trust. And to this day that's how stepping stones, the taxes get paid up people. Never one of the lovely parts about it that I've heard I'll probably never get there. But one of the lovely parts about it, you just call them up and say I'm here from wherever and I would like to have

of the home place. It's just exactly the way it was left when Bill died and she died and his stuff is out in Wit's end. A little building to build on the side. So he'd go out there and work and she worked upstairs and they did a lots of riding. Besides what you think of there's, there's all kinds of stuff that she did for Al Anon and she was just a a

she in the story, she talks about some really personal things. I just love it. He's real honest. There was a handsome, good looking fella come to live at the house, builds a nest. They begin to take walks together. All of a sudden they're holding hands. We're getting a little too close here. That and he left. The guy left because of that. But she talks about, I mean, she's really human in her talk. I, I love human. I love people who talk in human terms,

but it talks about all the things she was in. At the end of the book

you will take on everything they ever claimed about Bill Wilson.

Now Wang was associated with Bill Wilson,

more a daughter, more like their daughter. She was out there every other week and typing up their work. He didn't. They didn't come to work in the office. They stayed there and he came to them and brought it back. She ran the New York office for years.

Just as he told us, I'm going to have to quit the job. They're associating me with Bill in a sexual way. And she said to her, oh, don't do that, honey. Bill has lots of enemies.

She names two people who said everything was untrue. I can tell you it's according to whose history you want to listen to. Bob Smith junior said he got mad. He said not true. I they were my uncles and aunts. I personally knew them in their homes around them. For you never happened. Others have said never. Others have written about it said it did have. So it's up to you. Just one of those mysteries.

It's called the life Story of Lois Wilson. When Love is Not Enough.

But they'll they'll make a movie of it, I'm sure. A sequel, I'm sure. To Bill Wilson. My name is Bill WI. Don't I know his name? I just can't tell you right now

you don't have any trouble finding it's brand new. One of the fortunate things for me is I suppose I have a lot of people who love me and a lot of people who want me to have things and everything that comes out new. I the book shows up at the house. I've even have to look for it

and I love it so much. I just I just go close my door, answer only those calls that are necessary and I start reading. I love that's where I get a lot of my history from all of these books we gave you is who's got a copy of that of that of the books that we I saw one around here that the other day. Do you have one back there? If you'll see that guy in blue, the great Jr.

right, he will make you. You might give him a few cents, but he'll make you a copy of a book list. People have asked me what books have you read that does not include all books. I will read anything I love. I read a fire of Blood and Fire, who is the starting William Booth, who started the Salvation Army. Great book. I can tell you as if you read these books of all these people outside of a A, they have one thing in common.

Everyone has been to put to some kind of a test spiritually as to whether he was going to go left or go right,

every one of them. And the same thing applies here. You will be tested, guarantee you whether you going to stay or go. Is that it?

All right? Sell some, sell some CDs Don't I sell?

That's it. That's it for me. OK, I, I want to read something here out of the big book. We've already read it, but I'm going to read it again.

Means a lot to me.

So on page 164 from A Vision for you,

our book is meant to be suggestive only we realize we know only a little. God will constantly, constantly disclose more to you and to us. Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who's still sick.

The answers will come if your own house is in order, but obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got.

See to it that your relationship with Him is right and great events will come to pass for you and countless others. This is a great fact for us. Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. Clear away the wreckage of your past,

give freely of what you find, and join us.

We should be with you in the fellowship of the Spirit, and you will surely meet some of us as we trudge the road to of happy destiny. May God bless and keep you until then.

I also want, I want to thank all of you for for coming to this thing and for sticking around. It's been a

a real path for me and a real learning experience.

Umm, no. I can't tell you how touched I am and how much I've learned and how much faith

has come to me

through the process of, of the prayer meditation

that brought this all to fruition. You know, I mentioned in the beginning that it started with a conversation among a couple people and A and a short conversation and the, and the, the blessing of meeting Don Brown.

And

it just means a lot to me. And I want to thank everybody for being a part of it. And and also I want to, I want to thank

my higher power for putting Bill in my life.

Yeah, we go. Thank you everybody.