Pollock Pines, CA

Pollock Pines, CA

▶️ Play 🗣️ Don B. Mike M. ⏱️ 1h 13m 📅 07 May 2024
One of the best ways to do that I got from my sponsor, he says he didn't get. He just said I'll be your temporary sponsor. If you find somebody better
boy that gives them freedom, they could leave if they want to.
Most of my state I stayed after he told me to get a new sponsor after he got sick and went to Kentucky. I wouldn't leave.
Hell, I'll just call him on the phone. Small portion. I would pay a lot more of that to bark. And it turned out nice because he came all alone. He got sick and he couldn't go to a a meetings in the veteran hospital in a strange place. It was one of his great plans. His plan was he was he was ill. And he thought the way to do this is he'd gotten his job. He'd been working for the post office for years. And so he was going to take his wife to Kentucky to live with her sister after he died. That was the idea
and she died before him.
His brother-in-law helped him get into the veterans hospital
and that's where he'd act. And I call that line and several other guys kept calling that line that he was sponsored to, and he could no longer drive and he couldn't get out and couldn't get the meetings. And you might say we had our meetings on the phone
and we let him know our project, how we're doing, that we're doing good doing all.
One day I made that calling. Didn't get no answer.
Saddam Sadness
in addition to these casual get the guns that come customary to set apart one night a week for a meeting to be attended
by anyone or everyone
interested in a spiritual way of life that is the foundation of open meeting. What is an open meeting?
I gave you a piece of paper from New York that tells you the difference between open and closed meetings. Sometimes we call them open meetings and we close them.
It's just really funny. The faces of an open meeting interested in a spiritual way of life. That was the only condition. It goes on to say outsiders became interested. One one man and his wife, T Henry and Clarice Williams, the rocker group members. He's a multi millionaire. He was an engineer. He designed the tread on the tires and every tire that went out of there, he got a piece of the action.
A lot of money
place their their large home and dispose of the strange assorted group. This couple has since become so fascinated that they dedicated their home to the work. Many a distracted wife has visited this house to find loving and understanding companionship among women who knew her problem and heard for the lips of their husband that what had happened to them to be advised on how her own wayward mate might be hospitalized and approached the next he stumbled a plan of action.
I want to back up for a second and go back to 159 on the bottom.
I'm going to give you a few names
of some of those people that were there in those days just for that.
Phil Smith
still didn't make it
call in.
He never got oxidized. They called it
named Walter Bray. Walter Bray is the guy they talking to 1212 according to young Smith, who was duly addicted. And when they get him off the booze, he'd go down to the to the drugstore and those dies he could buy business a Paraguay. It has opium in it and a lot of alcohol and you could buy that directly across the counter without prescription. So he'd just slide over into that
apparel. Grissom, Ed Andy,
Ed Andy is supposed to be the oldest member in years and Alcoholics Anonymous. He got sober in the Oxford Group and probably counts as a body time from that time,
Junior said. If it had, his sobriety date is what he says it is. He was sitting on the porch waiting for Bob and Bill to come home when they met. But he's forgotten that you could. He was a member of the Oscars group and wasn't drinking there.
Paul J Stanley
of The Stanley Brothers
man named Joseph Doppler.
He was a European in the furniture poster.
Robert Olivetti. These people all made it.
JD Holmes.
These people have long forgotten, were famous in their days, famous alcohol
and Harold Spencer,
famous people.
So we've read that and now we're on 160. I just thought I'd give those to you. Pretty interesting, that kind of stuff. Many a man, yet dazed from his hospital experience that stepped over the specials of that home into freedom. Many an alcoholic who entered there came away with an answer. He succumbed to the gay crowd inside whose lacquered their own misfortune. Understood his
impressed for those who visited him at the hospital. He capitulated means he surrendered
when later in an upper room of this house, he heard the story of some man who's experienced closely tallied with his own.
They used to take him upstairs for the third step, and they used to stand around and kind of vote on whether he did it right or not.
And they'd make you do it again. Yeah. Expression on the face of these men that simply something in their eyes of the men. The stimulating electric atmosphere of the place conspired to let him know that there was a haven at last.
The very practical approach to this, his problems, the absence of intolerance of any kind.
Hmm, that's a great line. I love you no matter what you do or what you say.
I cannot practice intolerance with
If you've got an inventory looks like mine, there's no way that I can talk about you.
The informality, the genuine democracy, the uncanny understanding which these people had were resisted. It was never intended in a A that any group would have power over another group. It was never intended in a A that any human being would have power over another human being.
Yet we have people that want to do that. He and his wife would leave, elated by the thought of what they had could now do for the stricken acquaintance. Stricken acquaintances at his family. They knew they had a host of new friends. It seemed that they were. They had known these strangers always. They had seen miracles and one was come to them. A lot of people say wait for your miracle,
never don't leave. Wait for your miracle to show up.
They had visions of great reality,
visions of God, great reality of God. They're loving in all powerful creator. Now this house is hardly accommodated. Weekly visitors from the number of 60 to 80 as a rule
from surrounding towns. Families driven long distance to be present. The community 30 miles away
has 15 fellows of Alcoholics Anonymous. Cleveland, OH
Being a large place, we think that someday it's fellowship for a number of many hundreds. Mr. Clarence Snyder sponsored 100 people went to Florida fence eventually. But life among the Alcoholics Anonymous is more than attending gatherings and visiting hospitals, cleaning up old stripes, helping to settle family differences to wives into families, talking to them about the disease. Explain the disinherited son to his irate parents. Lending money, securing jobs for each other when justified.
These are everyday occurrences,
every day. Every day I keep a little pop. I don't have a lot of money, but I save a little bit, $200.00 that I can help a guy
sometimes God helps me help them. I had a guy that needed a truck and one of my old timers that I sponsored, 35 years sober that I'm going to Arabia. I've got an old truck. I'd like to have about $100 for it. Do you know anybody needs a good truck? He said. I said, do I?
The guy we're just talking about yesterday, that's how things come to me.
These are everyday occurrences. No one get this line. It's too discredited or sunk too low to be welcome cordially. And here's the condition. If he means business
1st edition, we can ask a man to leave the meeting if he's interfering with the message.
So we always say, keep telling that
sometimes it takes more than one of us to put him out of the room.
Social distinction, federal rivalries and jealousies. These are laughed out of continents being wrecked in the same vessel. Step one
being restored. Step 2.
And united under one God, three through 9.
Now you can think about that line for a little while.
I'm not going to go into it that deep. That's for you to decide under one God,
with hearts and minds attuned to the welfare of others. 10:11 and 12:00.
The things which matter so much to some people no longer signify much to them. How could they
under only slightly different conditions? The same thing is taking place in many eastern cities. In one, there's well known hospital called towns for the Treatment of Alcoholics and Drug Addiction. Six years ago, one of our members was a patient there. Bill Wilson.
Many of us have felt for the first time the presence of the power of God within its walls. Doctor Selfworth
We're greatly indebted to the doctor in attendance there
for he, although at night presents his own work, has told us it is a belief in our that's pretty big for a scientific mind.
Every few days this doctor suggests our approach to one of his patients, understanding our work. He can do this without selecting those who are willing and able to recover on a spiritual basis. Many of us former patients go there to help. Then in this eastern city there are formal meetings such as we have described you, where you may now see scores of members.
They are the same fast friendships. There is the same helpfulness to one another as you find among our Western friends.
There is a good bit of travel between East and West. We foresee a great increase in this helpful exchange interchange.
The conventions that were started in the early days
had more of a purpose than for entertainment.
People would come from east to West, north to South, to the conventions and the coffee room. They would sit down and they would talk to each other about their experiences and problems within their groups,
and they would exchange information. Does that make sense to you? That's what he's talking about here. A lot of helpfulness in the interchange.
You still see that sometimes. Not much today, but you still see it sometimes. Someday we hope that every alcoholic whose journey will find a fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous at his destination.
To some extent this is already true. Some of us are salesman and go about little pluses of two and threes and fives as often sprung up in other communities. That's right. That's how we grew. The whole Eastern seaboard was was basically done by traveling salesman and they would call up to the New York office every day and they say, is there anyone to call on in Saint Louis? I'm going to be in Saint Louis in the morning
and I will call them and make arrangements to meet with them and they would sit down and talk about how they started meetings and talk about the spiritual program of life and that kind of stuff. Now, the A A in New York was a little different. They had gone fellowship. They thought more dancers would do it
and they it didn't work out through. Will Bill Bill write some letters about that? So they went back the other way. Doctor Bob was having twice as much successor. Bill was
so he said, through contact with two larger sinners.
Those of us accurate in New York. Those of us have traveled drop in as often as we can. This practical enable us to to lend a hand at the same time avoiding certain alluring distractions of the road about which any traveling salesman can inform you.
Cersei Whaley, who died here a little couple years ago, over a long, long time, he had a meeting there annually, once a year called the Gathering of the Eagles. And you're supposed to have 40 years to go to the meeting. He invited me to come, but I was on a we're going to interview me and he got sick and died. I'm supposed to do that. I had a lot of talks on the phone. Great guy. He said that from Dallas
to Los Angeles
it was not a meeting of a A when he came in
and that in Texas they would get in a car and drive 300 miles to support the start of a meeting.
How important it felt. It was a long way. Few hours of what does that be? About 6 hours there, six hours back, a couple hours at the meeting.
Thus we grow. And so can you, though you be but one man with this book in your hand. What do you need? That's what I love about A A What do you need here to do whatever you got to do with people?
One man, one woman with a book in your hand, that's all you need.
The directions, conditions and promises and the outlight experience of these people are already here for you. All you gotta do is follow it
and so many people think they can make it better.
We believe it and hope it contains all you will need to begin.
We know what you're thinking. You're saying to yourself, I'm jittery and alone. I couldn't do that. But you can you forget that you have just now tapped the source of power much greater than yourself
to duplicate with such backing. What we have accomplished is only a matter of willingness, patience and labor.
I like that. That's all.
Of course, we walk in today and we walk into meetings that have been established. Some of someone said there was a meet 65 years old around here somewhere. We walk into these knees that long established our founders here and we just take them as just like, well, that's the way it is. You know, I mean, isn't this nice? It will mean, you know, we know a a member who was living in a large community
and they had lived there for a few weeks when he found it, that the place probably contained more Alcoholics per square mile
city in the country. His name was Clarence Snyder. We think
there was only a few days ago at this riding 1939. The authorities were much concerned. He got in touch with the prominent psychiatrist who had undertaken certain responsibilities for mental health of the community. His name was Doctor Howard Montclair.
Give you some names. Now, you're not going to find just real easy, Doctor Howard Montclair.
The doctor proved to be able and exceedingly anxious to adopt any workable method of handling the situation. So he inquired, what did our friend have on the ball? Our friend proceeded to tell him and with such good effect that the doctor agreed to test among his patients and certain other Alcoholics from a clinic which he attended.
Arrangements are also made with the chief psychiatrist of a of a large public hospital.
That guys name was Doctor Russell Blaisdell
and it's the Greystone Rockwell Asylum.
Let me show you what a group conference used to look like
Before we had H and I and some other things.
The group would decide within themselves what God would have that group do.
They decided that what God would have them do was go into the insane cycle.
In order to do that, they had to see Doctor Russell Blaisdell.
And so they sent some people in to see, they prayed about it, they meditated about it together. I'm a great believer. When you want to change something spiritually in this program, you need it takes 2/3 of worldwide voting the basic text, but when you're making spiritual decisions in your group, you need to have prayer and meditation together.
Don't run off home and come back and vote.
Voting is fine. You want to know about coffee? What kind of coffee boat?
You want to know what kind of candy you're eating though? Don't take a good content
because it's not a group conference to vote.
You take group consciousness when you want something to happen spiritually in your meeting. Something too different. In this case, it took the food conference with prayer and meditation on their knees
and they ask God as a group what they could do and they went into Rockwell and I'm telling you what happened still others from the stream of misery which flowed through that institution. I don't know if you've ever been locked up in a mental institution and you're hopeless and and you just can't seem to get help. And every time you get a start, you fall down and they got you in there and you mixed it with other people. They have other kind of problems and it's horrible.
And here comes some guy from A A you know
that they allowed to come to the hospital. San Quentin was the 1st place warden, Deputy was the 1st place to Edison prison. There's a guy who's been the have a guy that is a non alcoholic who speaks around at a a things who's the head of all the California institutions
lock up sales prison, he said. A a frees more people from prison than anything else they have. And the recidivism rate for those that have a program is very low.
And they got it all over there.
So our fellow workers will soon have friends at the Lord. Some of them may sink and perhaps never get up. That's part of the struggle here. There's nothing sadder than to lose one. I shed tears. Old em all time,
he said.
But if our experience is a criteria, more than half of those approach will become fellows of Alcoholics, and not more than half. What an increase 50%.
With a few men in the cities have found that ourselves, we have discovered the joy of helping others to face life again. That is a joy. I'd love to see that happen. I'd love to see families restored. I love to see children come to my house and laugh and giggle. I love to see children hug my leg and they call me Grandpa Brown. The only. All they know about me is what their daddy and Mama said.
We used to throw big parties at the house when we were young.
We're getting a little, I guess. I don't know what it's allowed. We've had a lot of problems, but there will be no stopping till everyone in that town has the opportunity to recover. If you can and will
still, you may say, but I will not have the benefit of the contact with you who've written this book. We cannot be sure. God will determine that,
so you must remember that your real reliance is always upon Him. I don't care what New York says.
Reliance is upon the past.
I certainly take listen to them and do all the things useful. I write them letters now and then. They write, I call them, they call back.
It will show you how to create the fellowship you crave. God
relationships with God. That's my fellowship I praise. Our book is meant to be suggestive. Only we realize we know only a little
promises. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us in addition and a direction. Ask Him in your morning meditation
what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. The answer will come. Here is your condition. If your own house is in order. I gotta be spiritually fixed,
but obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. Franklin Williams, an old timer, used to say you can't transmit something you haven't got, no more than you can come back or who you haven't been. And you have to be a Southerner to understand that.
See to it that your relationship with Him is right
and great events will come to pass for you and countless others,
she promises. Now
I relate, even fit spiritual condition and see what happens.
This is the great fact for us. This is a fact.
Abandon yourself to God. Step to 1-2 and three
as you understand God,
admit your faults to him and to your fellows. 4567,
8:00 and 9:00
Clear away the wreckage of your past 8-9.
Give freely of what you find and join us. 10:11 and 12:00.
We shall be with you in the fellowship of the Spirit,
and you will surely meet some of us as you tread. The word treads is to walk with purpose.
Cortana, what they're talking about,
we wrote a happy Destiny.
May God bless you and keep you until then. Mr. Wilson leaves you exactly where he found you
in need of a spiritual experience by the working of the sex. God bless you. Thank you for having me, Sir.
Hi, Mike. I'm an alcoholic. There's a couple of things that came up earlier and some discussions we had at dinner last night and I had some some quotes from Bill. There's a great book that that you can get, which is conference approved,
but it's The Language of the Heart, which is a collection of articles that Bill Wilson wrote in the Grapevine. And historically, the Grapevine
when they started it was to provide a forum for the communication to all the membership. But probably primarily it was started to give Bill Wilson a form at which he could write the articles that he wanted to write as he was developing the traditions and everything else.
But it's a, it's a, it's a very great book and
it shows the development over the years of, of Bill Wilson's philosophy between the time or, or his interpretation between the time of the big book up until the publishing in the 12 by 12 and then after the 12 by 12. I just had a couple of excerpts from that that I thought were appropriate because we had some questions. Somebody talked about rules. I had a couple people, you know, how to come out and really got these groups. So we got the rules. And sometimes we get caught up in the rules in a A,
which is not the case. There's a difference between direction. You know, I want to follow the directions that are in the book, the directions and the guidance that have been given to me. And so Bill wrote about rules in September of 1945 in The Grapevine. And an excerpt from that says the individual on the A A is under no human coercion
is almost is at almost perfect personal liberty.
The 12 steps of our A program are not crammed down anybody's throat.
They are not sustained by any human authority. Yet we powerfully unite around them because of the truth they contain has saved our lives, has opened the door to a new world.
Our experience tells us these universal truths work.
The anarchy of the individual yields to their persuasion. He sobers up in his lead, little by little, to complete agreement with our simple fundamental.
Ultimately, these truths govern his life, and he comes to live under their authority, the most powerful authority known that the authority of his full consent willfully given.
He is ruled not by people, but by principles, by truth, and as most of us would say, by God. He also talked about emotional sobriety, and we were talking about it in January 1958,
he said. Suddenly I realized what the matter was. My basic flaw had always been dependence, almost absolute dependence on people and circumstances to supply me with prestige, security and the like. Failing to get these things according to my perfectionist dreams and specifications, I had fought for them and and when defeat came, so did my depression.
There wasn't a chance of making the outgoing love of Saint Francis a workable and joyous way of life until he's fatal and almost absolute dependencies were cut away.
I found I had to exert every ounce of will in action to cut off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon a A, indeed upon any set of circumstances whatsoever.
Then only could I be free to love as Francis had. Emotional and instinctual satisfactions I saw were really the extra dividends of having love, offering love, and expressing a love appropriate to each each relation of life.
Plainly, I could not avail myself of God's love until I was able to offer it back to Him by loving others as He would have me. And I couldn't possibly do that so long as I was victimized by false dependencies.
For my dependencies meant demand, a demand for the possession and control of the people and conditions surrounding me. Hope that answers a couple of questions and don't threat
questions. Yeah, questions are nobody had any questions yet. Can we go home?
If I know, I'll tell you. If I don't know, I'll tell you. Ditto, said he had. I said Ditto, they're not going to have any questions. That got it all, you know? And he said, Oh, no, Got a lot of questions.
OK You ready? Yeah. What are the names? Hey, this is even on. There you go.
Are you kidding? What are the names of the people and the stories in the back of the 3rd edition? Their sobriety dates and what group are they from?
Well,
the original stories as they wrote the book and they got the people to write them.
The ones in Akron were edited by a man
who got sober
is called He's a painter and anyway a newspaper guy. They picked him up out of the Salvation Army and I'm filing back here. Let's start with Doctor Bob on the page 171. Now this you may have to change in your 4th edition because this is a third edition book.
4th edition people that the changes that have been made.
I can tell you a little bit. If you want to see what John Smith's signature looks like, I've got that. I'm a groupie, you know what I mean?
Robert Holbrook Smith, MD
uh, he's from Macon, Ohio. He's data sobriety is 16 and 35. It could be June 17th of 35. There's some discussion about that, but I don't think that a few days is one way or the other.
He was three years and 10 months as of the 1st edition, sober. He died in November the 16th of 1950. He was 71 years old.
He got sober at age 56.
He probably helped more people.
He spoke 5 languages
including hand signing
German, Greek, Latin, English.
He was a
He's an only child and his father and mother of Judge and Mrs. Walter Barron. BERRIN Smith is his father and mother.
He met Anne Ripley from Oak Park, IL and
given the second of 1949 is when she died. She's a Wesley College graduate and they were married 17 years after they met. It was a little slow about joining this thing.
He was from a railroad family.
Her daddy was a time keeper for the railroad, I guess a mismanagement position you might call it. She had an uncle who was the president, one of the railroads, and used to take her around with him. Three of her brothers made a who's who of America.
They were unable
to sell his story mostly is in the Doctor Bob and the Good Old Time
and he tried to make amends to those folks
and it never did work.
And there was some kind of an argument over the care of her mother
that Anne got into with her brothers
and drive. Bob talks about. He tried to make amends, but it never healed. Through that connection. Doctor Bob had a contract out of Akron or if the train had a wreck, he was to come to the wreck. They paid him a a fee to keep him on retaining.
He was born in 1879 and August the 8th of 1879 at St. Johnsbury, Vt,
which is about 100 miles north of East Dorset, were built
great and born
well. These two guys, it's kind of odd stuff in just about 100 miles away. So they renamed the title. It was called the Doctors Nightmare and they renamed it what it is today. It was called Doctor Bob's Nightmare and then they changed it to Doctor's Nightmare. I don't see what the great deal in changing that. He was a member of the Board of Trustees
from 11:38 to 10:00 to 49.
So this this guy was he was also a world champion bridge player.
He was a hunter. He loved to hunt and live off the land, which is living proof that you were a man that could go out and make your own ways. Just eat environments, fish or whatever, you know?
He also played horseshoes very, very well.
In fact, he did a lot of things very well. He could be pretty competitive guy. Next guy's Bill Dotson on page 182.
Bill is from Akron. His data survived is June 26 in 1935.
He was 20 years, one month as of the 2nd edition. First. Funny, that's when his first story shows up.
He didn't rise on story. Bill Wilson wrote it out of a collection of tape that he had made or was speaking engagements that he spoke around quite a bit. He's not too hard to get most of these people. I have the CDs of them or tapes that I that have come my way up. It's kind of interesting to hear the people in the book. He died September the 17th of 1954. He served on the City Council of Akron.
He did not drive. I told that earlier.
There's kind of an interesting guy. He was a delegate
from Ohio in 1951 and served on GSC panel one. That's a, I won't try to tell you what that is, but it's a way of describing the panels. So he stayed sober. Most of the people that were going to deal with State Solar because they took him out of the book if they drank on some occasions
had to be shown page 193.
This guy
is a brother. His name is Dick Stanley
and he's from Akron, OH and his sobriety date is 2 of 37.
It was called
his dad was an alcoholic. His brother Paul comes into the program. Paul Stanley is a carfelder.
Brother Dick goes on to political office.
Talks about they were only seven or eight before him in Akron and his story he was on the board of trust 446 to one of 53 is not in the original manuscript. The story was called The Car Smashes in the 1st edition first printing.
His brother Paul was brother. His brother was Truth. Freed Me was his story, and
he was the guy who introduced
seances
into Bill and Bob and their wise lives. They had some seances going on for a little while. They didn't try it. Ruth Hawks talked about it, but nothing ever happened when she was there. But they were always talking about should've been here last week.
Dick's death came in 11 of 571950. Somebody asked me that. They're all dead.
Seplum I wouldn't know about. Most of them are,
yeah. I knew more on what you thought I did. Didn't
get over here.
He thought he could drink like a gentleman.
On page 210 of the 3rd edition, his name is Abby
Albert Gorelick. They call him Abby. The Catholic from Cleveland
have a picture of him and the first Cleveland meeting with Bill Wilson there and Clarence Snyder was taking the picture.
It's quite a story around that when Clarence the Catholic Church because the Oxford groups were Protestant organization that had a confessional type of of a process, at least as far as the Catholics were concerned. The Catholics from Cleveland were going to excommunicate the Catholics if they continued into the going down there. There's a great book about Clarence's life and he ended up with God's will by having two brand new cars and the depression,
but nobody had a call and he'd load these guys up and take him down there. And so he and drive Bob had their first argument. It's OK to argue with your sponsors. That's probably lit a whole fire now. But that's, you know, he had, he argued with him and talked about said, well, there's nothing we can do about it. They'll just have to, you know, and he said, oh, yes, we can. We'll start a meeting there and we're going to divorce the Oxford Groups and we're going to call ourselves a A
taken at the title of this book. And so he claimed to be the founder of a A but you got to read carefully what he says. He started the first meeting that was called a A That was his claim to fail. Now, a lot of old timers would disagree with that. And they said, oh, we had a a knees votes that we had a a meetings at our house. They just weren't called a A at the time.
This guy says he thought he could drink like a gentleman. His society date is 439, he's from Cleveland. He was 1616 years and three months as of the 2nd edition.
He had the first meeting in his home with a lawyer. They were losing the house, but they managed to hang on to it. He started the principles of rotation. You know how we rotate out of the of the place. He's the guy that founded that and they got the next secretary after a while and that became the model. A lot of things in a A just show up how it works showed up from the mother group and the earliest people
in Southern California when somebody said to a guy,
how do we start a meeting? And he said, well, let's read page 58 of this book how it works and that's how it works started. It's nothing from on high that came to us. It just spread throughout the country.
So
Abby stays sober. He's a patent attorney that helps in it.
Joe Dockler, the guy we talked about earlier, was his sponsor.
This story was a European drinker. Later on, according to Bob Smith, Junior
Lemon suffered 2 on page 222.
Marty Mann. There's a lot known about Marty man. He wrote a book about it. People named the Browns wrote a book about. Great book, ought to get it. Great book, great story.
Marty died in 722 of 80.
She in a way, she started the National Council on Alcoholism.
The story really goes that the Yale studies of alcoholism, the summer studies run by a guy named Gel Nick Bruce Fox. I think the guy's name is Hazard. He's a he's a Irish doctor. And then they used all the summer students who were there to to do it. Worldwide investigation into alcoholism and generally became the number one authority on alcoholism of his day.
Many of the early Alcoholics of that day, such as Cersei, Whaley and a few others, got to go
to that school to get their education.
Marty Mann was raised in wealth.
Her daddy was the Co Seb director of Marshall Fields. Huge department stores that stay. I guess it's still there and
he had quite a bit of money and about 3 1/2 million dollars and he had a fallen out. He drank a little and chased rumen little and gambled a little. That's an understatement,
but he had some money which he's 14 years old. She contracted TB and he brought her down here to Pasadena, CA
and there was a stream of air that ran through there that equaled Colorado. Her family was so wealthy, they just moved the whole family out here to be near her and just rented a mansion
and they lived in the area of the town that was very wealthy. Her mother's family had shipping and furs and there was a trust set up. And the father leaves has an argument. There's four children, herself, her sister, They were both lesbians and there was a set of twins, a boy and a girl. And the girl will marry one of the guys that's at Tivo's place.
Eventually
he will stay sober to college educated young man he works on. He fixed over 5:00. I can get into a lot of this stuff whenever. Go home Anyway,
she she wrote three books, one of them twice, and they called it three books, really wrote one twice. But femoral and alcoholism, they were looking for someone to carry the message,
and they chose her because of her education and deportment and clothing. She was raised. She never went to public school in her life. She was always run into Missus Nick's something back in Italy, where she was in Florida. What's the weather?
The time dad got done investing, gambling, drinking and girls, three and a half million dollars got gone and investment. He loved gold mines and silver mines, and I think anybody could probably got him when he's drunk to invest in some. And so he lost all his money and he abandoned the family. And then he comes back and talks the mother into breaking the trust, which is enough money to take care of them in pretty good shape.
She does that and he believes that drive
and dies. He dies
both
Her dad's name was William Henry Mann. Her mother's name was Margaret Deming.
He was married once to a guy named Robert Curtis Christie, the hardest drinking man in New Orleans.
You've met him at a party, Doctor Foster. By this time, by the time it's all over, she goes to Europe. She comes in into a decorator. She's kind of hangs out there for a while. She has many, many problems. She eventually passed out at a 4th of July party with a bunch of Americans that took her up and put her to bed. Wrong place for a drunk. Always leave him on the floor and falls off a balcony and breaks the jaw and just makes a mess of herself. And
a lady takes her into Scotland, a nurse, and keeps her out in the place away from the booze
and she heals.
The time she gets back to America she is just a mess. There isn't any money. She's now a welfare case
and she is sent to a guy by name of Foster Kennedy. It was a part of our history. And he is a psychiatrist who has a a ward for sick people at Bellevue Hospital, and she's there for six months.
He gets her transferred out to
Blythewood and she's after 15 months and during that time she will not just stay sober, she'll be in and out. So
and eventually they get a book they made the,
they've made 400 loose leaf manuscripts of the IT was really a sales tool for the new book that was coming out. And Doctor Silk Tebow got one and gave it to her. And they had a struggle with it because every time she saw God, she got mad. She thrown out the window and they'd make her go get it, you know, And but eventually she will get sober and she's put on a train
and sent to New York.
Gurney was the Grinny was the guy the other guy, her friend there that she made it married her sister
and they
you sent to a train and they they put her on and picked her up at the other end. A guy named Popsy Mare met her there. It's kind of interesting and took her to her first meeting at the Wilson house and there wasn't any other women and she was she went upstairs and cried and Boris had to sit with her to get her to come back downstairs. But once she did, she came back and she loudly announced the grinny that they were not alone anymore. There were people like them
and that was so important to her to identify that there were people like things. He will stay so for 20 years.
She will drink again at the end of 20 years and then she begins to take like a lot of old timers used to keep when they brought in. Ruth Fox was the one who brought in the what's the drug and makes you puke
and abuse. She brought an abuse in and so she was making out prescriptions to her for anti abuse and she's fighting it as she goes, quite older. Bob Pearson is so much fun to know these people a little bit. In the 1970s when they had the convention in New Orleans, I think that's what it was.
He went and found her. She would come and drop out of sight and he went and found her and talked her into coming. She's very sick and talked her to coming down and being a feature speaker at the International Convention.
He had done so much good that it was just impossible to believe. And people did not hold it against her that she drank. They gave her a standing ovation
and she drank. She died a few weeks later, which is kind of like Bob said, He I gave her her last to raw. You know, it's pretty interesting stuff.
I have one of the stories interesting, a man named Brinkley Smithers at five years of of the National Council. The Yale people said we're not going to fund this any longer. You've got to find a way to fund yourself. A guy named yet Gardner, who was a a recovered alcoholic who never drank again, was making a 12 step call in a hospital and he gets to the hospital and the guy in the bed was saying Brinkley Smithers.
He had no idea who Brinkley Smithers is. And when you go on a 12 step call, you don't know who you're talking to.
If you're down on Skid Row talk, you don't know who you're talking to. A lot of people on Skid Row, they didn't start there. And he, he's telling this guy Smithers, whose eyes are all bloodshot and swollen clothes, and he's all swollen up and, and he'd been hospitalized 50 times.
And so he's laying there detoxing. And this guy. Yet Gardner just does what we do. He's told him his story. At the end, he said, you know, I worked with this wonderful woman, Marty Mann, who is turning the country around and speaks all over the world on alcoholism as a disease. And if they could take 50 years
and they're going to close this down because Yale has withdrawn his support.
And the guy looks, you know, I guess as good as you can look. And he said, I'll, I'll support it. I'll take, I'll fund it. Now, Can you imagine making a 12 set call you and I and we're talking to some nut in the bed and we're telling we need a lot of money and he's going, I'll take care of it. We'll come back tomorrow when you're feeling better. I don't think you got the question. You know,
well Brinkley Smithers father
was the founder, co-founder of IBM. He was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth somewhere in the, I don't remember now either 500,000 or 250,000 stairs of IBM. The day he was born. He had so much money that his cousin who was a CPA did nothing to keep up with his money for him. So he meant it when he said and did. He funded that place and kept it alive. He also built the Smithers Institute,
Fully Funded Forever,
a 28 day treatment program.
He had an argument. He hired Ruth Hawks. He wanted only rich people to come there like himself. And he was going to charge him a lot of money.
And she wanted anybody to come and she quit it. But it's still there to this day. And his dad was really active in all of this. I just, I don't know why I like all this stuff. Just brought. She brought attributes, came to this country in 1946.
So I bet you got all that written down, haven't you? You probably figured out by the tapes, and you don't have to worry about it. This is #230 Joe Doppler, as he's named the European drinker.
He may have been the first Roman Catholic to ever joined AA.
His data survived is 3 of 36. He's really getting back there, isn't he? He was a furniture upholstery.
It's one of the first six enactment
He was three years and no months as the printing of the 1st edition first printing
Joe Doctor.
He still spoke in that European stuff. A vicious cycle 238 California's own
Jimmy Berwick,
he got sober in 616 to 38, and he died in 9 eighths of 74 from a freak accident. We'd been in the military and he fell down and hurt himself somewhere or another. Ended up dying at the big hospital down in San Diego.
I told you that, he said in the 12. Yes Sir,
the sobriety date was 9/8 of 74. No, I'm sorry, that's not true. Can't be true. Sobriety date is is 616 to 38.
Burwell BURWE LL
He he helped start AA in Baltimore and in Philly, Philadelphia,
he was the guy who stood for the third who just fought him to the death that it be God as you understand him. They were anti this guy. They in those days that when you read the his story in the 12:00 to 12:00 when he sells the product that he's supposed to be selling to get money for booze. And then those days they'd give you a dime and you could make your call on a dime and it accepts the charges and they would come anywhere to get you
hundreds of miles of that's what it says. They would go and get you and bring you back. When he put his dime in and made his call,
nobody would come. They just couldn't stand it because he forever was blasting God
in that days that when you had a one year birthday, you were automatically the speaker and he got up and gave a great talk about the fellowship and then let God have it. They thought it's just going to be okay. Oh, they hated that guy. But eventually he comes back and makes a great member and that contribution little you never know here what's going to happen. So don't try to judge things. That contribution let us in to all of the world,
God as you understand it. So when they took it to the Buddhist and had him take a look at it, they said change God to good. And there's nothing there we can disagree with.
Isn't that something that's a mirror? How do you do that?
It fits in everywhere
he had you can read about him in the 19th May 1968. I'm not going to go too far in he had some brothers they died from drinking. He married Rosa. They stayed sober together. First he said I'll never 12th up another woman and Rosa said you sure won't
he he
he ends up coming to San Diego CA first in the insurance business and takes care of buildings of real estate kind of deal and and so bills mother boobs out here with her husband the second husband the doctor and they have a practice and she makes a ton of money in real estate and
goes off the year to study to be a psychiatrist comes back just and she just invests and makes and he takes care of her real estate for they know each other
lot of stories about this guy. He has a history of a I have it on CD.
I like, I view people. Anything I say is something I've read. You know, the things they say, they were there, you know what I mean? So I like that I view people. The next guys called the News Hawk
and he is the guy
who helped to edit the stories in Akron and the story started out as traveler, editor, scholar and it eventually became the new the news Hawk and he's born in Australia. He's Doctor Bob, sponsor Reed and he got sober 7 of 37
and he stayed that way.
He also helped in Washington, DC to get things started.
Jim Scott was the same. There's two Scots, there's Jim Scott, this guy, and there's Doctor Jim Scott
who is black and will take it to the black community.
From Farm to City is the next little story we have here
on page 261 of the 3rd edition. Her name is Ethel Macy.
She gets over 5 of 41 in Akron. He's the first woman sober in Akron.
Her husband Russell joined at the same time her husband and wife.
He died April of 9th of 1963 and I believe she stayed sober.
I don't know this year but I'm pretty sure she did. Somebody said you weigh 300 lbs.
Ted Russell was a little bitty guy.
They are fun though. They come in together. I think. That chocolate. Yeah, listen to that over here. Chocolate,
the man who mastered fear, Architect. Archito Bridge,
We'll come and live with Doctor Bob and he will start AA in Detroit.
His hometown was Grosse Pointe Michigan
called the fearful one the first time around and they changed the stories of man who master sphere. He talked about sponsory. He has a non alcoholic friend by the name of Sarah Klein. Sarah Klein was a social worker in Detroit who had great interest in what they were doing and for your information was the first secretary of the a a meeting there a non alcoholic. They called her the Angel of Detroit.
She was quite a woman.
He lived with Doctor Bob for 10 months. It took him six months to form a group.
He spoke 3 languages,
lived in four countries for years. It was cottage couple of years. Man and master's career is very ill for a long, long time. Sarah Klein kind of took over for him and kind of took care of it.
Oh, let me go back. I'm sorry
they survived. September 11, 1938
Bob Smith Junior Remember this guy real well because he lived over for 10 months.
87 He sold himself short. Earl Treat,
another founder, started a in Chicago.
Earl three. His data survived as 7 to 37.
He wasn't doing a whole lot of good for a while. And a lady named Sylvia Kaufman, who gotten sober with Clarence Snyder, had taken the steps with him. She got silver 6 of 39. And she's a wealthy Riddle. And she showed up there, wealthy divorcee, she showed up there and him and her together put it together.
Who died 10 of 62.
We live quite a while.
Some of the early members he was aborted trust from 51 and 55.
He's also the guy who says to Bill the point should be traditions. Bill was right in the 12 points to assure our our future and this guy suggested tradition might be a better word. They give him credit for it anyway.
OK,
the next guy is a tremendous guy with with problems. Him and Bill had a lot of problems. Well, at least he had problems. I don't think Bill paid much attention to him. Clarence Snyder.
Home Brewmaster,
he talks about a 9693% rate of recovery in Cleveland. Not believing. Well, the hardest. There was a Turing Group after he died that went around the country doing things like Joe and Charlie that went around the country doing these things.
So he met Doctor Bob February the eighth. He died.
He will stay sober. Day to sobriety is February the 11th of 1938 and he will die in 1984
in Florida. Moved to Castle Barrel, Florida.
One of my sponsorees moved near to Casselberry and said I can't find a sponsor down here. I said how far is Castlebury? Said 20 miles. I said that's the home of Clarence Snyder. I guarantee you can find a sponsor.
Had a wife named Grace. His first wife was named Dorothy.
He first group to call herself a A. That's what his claim to fame was. He thought
is born December the 26th of 1902.
He had a son by Dorothy
and then he had his wealth. He was married to a woman named Salman, got divorced Saint Petersburg. Then he made he married Grace and he wrote a book about it. He joined the Assembly of God Church.
He was famous for holding Christian retreat
and he thought today a had abandoned the principles of the Oxford Group
is that much of what he did. He's buried in Cameron Cemetery in Cameron, NC with grace and they called her the Amazing Grace. They wrote a book about it.
Lots and lots of service work,
he was arguing. The biggest pile of complaints
in New York is from Clarence Snyder writing letters about deal with
Sylvia Kaufman. Page 304 Data Sobriety is 6 of 39.
Clarence Snyder was the sponsor and she she helped start a A with Earl Treat in Chicago.
You turn that 6 of 39.
I think we go to Part 2 now.
He stopped in time.
This first guy, 317, we don't know who he is.
We know some things about him. He's a Vietnam vet, but we don't know a lot about it. We also believe his parents are in the program.
I I just love finding these people. Sometimes there are a few of them out there.
The six guys, Fear of Fears, and his name is Cecil Man Mansfield.
His day of sobriety was seven
four of 1949. Now that is a woman. Her husband George joined at the same time.
Isn't that interesting when people do that next guys on 3/27? His name is Cecil Carlisle
and he was 75 years old when he came in. His nickname was Peace.
He was a representative of
stars in Hollywood.
What he did for a living.
He died June the 26th of 1992,
those golden years,
and I give that to you.
I'm sorry, 12 or 70?
12 months of 70
this next 1335. We don't know anything about her. She's unknown.
If you find anybody, let me know. I want to add them to the collection. We don't know too much about the guy on 342. Who's the guy from India? Where? Just the literature. He got sold on just the literature. Yeah, OK.
Well, the last one is 335 is called the Housewife Who Drank at Home.
You don't know
let me go back a little first that night. I'm sorry. I just the next work thing is life saving words and he's unknown, but he got the big deal here is he got sober on the literature
without any meeting,
which kind of shows that the literature works. I guess you can see that
this next guy, I had the privilege going to meetings with him for a number of years. His name is Earl Marsh and his position here yourself
until you sponsor with Frank Brennan, a very famous alcoholic from the San Francisco Bay Area,
sober over 50 years. When he died,
he he knew Lawson Bill. I tried to interview him in his 90s, but he was kind of he was gone a little bit. He was a heck of a guy though. He was a nice man He's Walnut Creek, CA, He's a psychiatrist and a surgeon. Actually, he dealt more with delivering babies is what he really did.
He's a state of sobriety was 615 and 1953.
He is mentioned in some of what we call the approved book. Earl Mark
just died here lately. I don't have a death date but I went to the funeral but it didn't get the day.
Nice guy.
The next one is called Lisa.
We don't know much about it.
Yeah. We don't know much about a teenager's decision. Absolutely.
She may or may not be alive. She's been deleted from the book, The 4th edition.
The Next Guys on 356. His name is Pete Walter and he got sober in June of 1945
and the story is rum radio and rebellion.
Wasser WASSER.
The story was updated in 1945. In The Grapevine in 1969. Updated story in the Grapevine in 1969. He's born in Cleveland, OH,
or maybe Tennessee. Not too sure about that one. I got maybe Tennessee there so,
but he got sober. He got sober in Cleveland
and I've got him on CD.
Any day was worse day. We don't know much about them. There's a husband and a wife. A husband is the alcoholic. Both parents are probably alcoholic, but reading the story you get that
75373 This man's name was Chet Rude. He's a banker out of New York, out of Los Angeles. It might have been worse as the story he's mentioned by Cliff Walker in the History of A A He helped set up the books for the original office that was run by Civil Corn Central Office in Southern California.
He also set up the books for the business office in New York.
He did not make it.
Good guy though.
The flow of the South. Great lady.
The name is Esther Ellis off ELIZARDI
ELIZARDI.
He got sober on the 5th month, 16th day of 1941.
He was the founder of the program in Dallas, TX.
He died June the third of 1960.
He was a very active, active, recovering woman alcoholic.
He was married to a man
she also helped in Houston, TX too. She she was married to a guy from Louisiana and they had a lot of oil.
Yes, he did.
She benefited from,
but she was, I have a picture of her. She was just a tireless, tireless worker
calculating the cost of 396. Do not know who he is.
Is about 6 stories. They don't know who any of them are.
Stars Don't Fall is the next one on 400.
Her name is Felicia Greznik. That's her real name.
Quite a story around her body Man was her sponsor. She will never drink again.
He is the daughter. She had mood swings and took niacin and clinical depression and she's an erotic and
her mother
was a lady with lots of money who ran a newspaper and her cousin owned the name of Magruder, owned the New York Times.
They were pretty high in society and they had a ton of money.
Her mother decided that she had all that this world could give, and so she wanted to be. She wanted a title so she married a count
we think from Austria
and she ended up this guy turned out not to be as nice as he seemed to be
and was violent. So she brought her baby and came home.
He sent his hitchman after them and stole the baby and took it back.
And I'll talk about a little horsepower. She diagnosis 92 years old
February at 99. She's 55 years old.
The reason I know a lot about her is because when they were writing their life story of Marty Mann, the Browns, who I interviewed, you can't get it first hand yourself. Get it from somebody that has it. They had found her in Denver, Co in a rest home. She had two grandsons there. One's a famous painter. And they were very kind to them and they called and told what they wanted. They were just so excited, flew out there and they said, well, we don't know if Grandma ought to keep it together anymore,
and she couldn't. But then they were so downhearted, they thought they'd found a real key to the to the whole thing.
These people had enough horsepower to go to Franklin Delano Roosevelt
and have him use the United States government to get that kid back
with diplomatic means. That's horsepower.