Steps 1 through 8 at the Fourth Dimension Group in Santa Monica, CA

Hello, I'm Bob Stonebreaker, an alcoholic, and I'm a member of the Fourth Dimension Group of Santa Monica, California.

And I'm sitting here on a Saturday afternoon, where I've took a decision to make a tape and to talk a bit about, what page is that off?

What a pertinent question for me in my earliest of sobriety with my sponsor?

I was taught to ask that question.

Oh, I had all this emotional storms and all the things we knew people have.

And I would say, oh, Carl, my spot to Carl.

Oh, Carl, this and that, and ain't it awful, and I just carry on something off on the first.

And he'd allow it, Bob.

Oh, he'd go up with 50 to 70 seconds of that.

And he'd listen.

He'd say, okay, Bob, that's enough.

Now, you have your book with you, Bob.

Yeah, I'm a book right here by the phone.

Yeah, okay.

Open it up to page him.

Now read it. Read the page I told you. I'd read it back to you. I said, okay, okay Carl, it says, what's it saying there? Read that paragraph three. I read paragraph three.

Exactly, that's it. Now, Bob, do you understand what that sentence?

Yeah, I, uh, yeah. I, uh, yeah, I understand. I understand it. Yeah, I said, okay, yeah, now you know what to do, right?

Oh, yeah, I guess I know what. I know what. He said, okay. Is there anything else, Bob? No, no, Carl, nothing else.

No, no, Carl, nothing else.

Okay, Bob, I love you. Bye.

And that's the way I found that the answers for me, at least, are in the big book.

And here I'm in my 12th year of sobriac, and still I'm finding the answers each and every time.

Right when they promised. Right like my sponsor showed me from the beginning.

Somewhere, in the first hundred...

and three pages of the big book.

For in that first hundred and three pages,

I find out what is the problem,

in depth, at least enough depth.

For me, and then it explains

what is the Alcoholics Anonymous solution.

The problem and begin living in the solution.

by following a planned program of action.

And it prescribes how to do that.

And if that isn't enough, once I'm in the solution,

I'm living in the solution,

how do I stay there in what's called the maintenance stuff?

So to make this procedures.

Well, there's the answers, the problem, the solution,

how it gets in the problem, and start living in the solution,

and then how to stay there.

Well, what more do I need?

Well, I needed nothing more than that.

I needed nothing more.

Like many people at the forefront of this wonderful experience, I wondered what's the use of it all?

I wonder if it works.

After all, they said somewhere in the back of the book that they know only a little, maybe they don't know very much.

I found out that they knew enough to cause a personality change, which was sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism.

And guess what?

That's all I wanted to know.

They knew enough.

If they knew only little, that little they knew,

was a plenty for me the way I was at.

I'll guarantee you.

So I was pretty excited when I found out about these four things

that they were in there,

and I made it my business to find out where they are.

So primarily that's what this tape is going to be about

to explain to people who are newer people

As my sponsor, so many years, it's played to me,

what page that is on.

So I hope you have the question.

And if you have that question in your mind,

and you have the big book in your hand,

hopefully maybe a yellow marker or a pen,

will be ready to begin.

Somewhere, very early in sobriety,

I heard a very disappointing thing from my member of the fellowship

and he told me,

that people don't recover from alcoholism.

He said, there's no such thing as a recovered alcoholic.

He said that you just start recovering.

You just get a little bit better every day.

And every year a little better, a little better.

But you never get recovered.

He said, probably, Bob, you'll spend your whole life recovering from this thing.

And I was so disappointed in that.

But I believed it, and I hung on.

and I did what they said.

But lo and behold, I started reading this wonderful book

after being prompted by Carl,

and I became aware of all sorts of different ideas.

All need I do was open my book, as I hope you are doing now,

to the title page.

And it gives a hint about whether that fellow was right or wrong right to begin with.

It says, Alcoholics Anonymous, The Story,

of how many thousands of men and women have recovered the mouth on.

What's that mean?

Recover?

It says recover.

I wonder if it says it anywhere else in the book.

Maybe it's a mistake.

Maybe they just said that and didn't mean it.

So let's go look through the book and see if we can find it anywhere else.

Now here we go.

Look at here.

Here.

I don't see anything about it here.

I'm looking at the preface here.

No, nothing there.

Let's start right here.

There might not be in here.

See, here we are.

Oh, oh.

Page 13 Roman numeral 13.

Okay.

You there?

Now look.

See?

To show other alcoholics precisely how we have recovered is the name purpose of this book.

What do you think about that?

Well, maybe this look seems to see the same way else.

Page Roman numeral 15, second paragraph, there's the word, recovered again.

Oh, look this one.

Roman numeral page 17 up at the top.

What's it saying?

It also indicated that strange work, one alcohol,

was vital to permanent recovery.

Permanent recovery.

What do you know about that?

Permanent recovery?

Oh, that's exactly what I was hoping for.

Get punched in the notes.

One can have permanent recovery from that.

I vouch for that.

Permanent recovery.

So I learned to keep my mouth shut,

I'll have permanent recovery from that punch in the notes.

And that's what I'm looking for.

I wonder if I can get that.

Let's see.

But I wonder how long it's going to take?

How long is it take?

If I'm going to get this wonderful thing, get recovered, how long is it going to take?

Well, let's read the next paragraph.

It says, hence, the two men said to work almost frantically,

upon an alcoholic arriving the ward in the Akron City Hospital.

The very first case, a very desperate one, recovered immediately.

Did you hear that?

Did you read that immediately?

You mean you'd get permanent recovery?

And you get immediate recovery.

Well, what do you think about that?

Well, that guy was full of beans, wasn't he?

Well, I'm glad to see that.

I weren't it any work?

Yeah, let's look over here, here.

Look here, turn the page number 17.

Here it says, pretty interesting.

It says, we have Alcoholics Anonymous,

know thousands of women who are just as hopeless as bell.

Nearly all have recovered, they've solved the drink problem.

Oh, that's what they must mean.

That means what recovered is is when you solve the drink problem.

I'll betcha that's what it is.

I wonder, let's check someplace else here.

Let's look back here.

My gosh, yeah.

Look at page 57, 57 at the top.

The last sentence or the first paragraph says this.

It says, seemingly, he could not drink even if he would.

Got to restore his sanity.

Aha!

Now, there's another definition.

Another definition of what they mean by recovered sanity gets to be restored,

and you couldn't drink even if you would.

Man, that is super metaphysical.

Recovery to me, that's beyond recovery.

That's like out in the fourth dimension somewhere.

My goodness, couldn't think if he would.

I couldn't imagine that when I first got out here.

Just couldn't imagine anything could be.

Gosh, almost like another dimension all together.

Well, that's pretty exciting, isn't it? Wow. I wonder what else they say about all this stuff. Let's see.

Back here on page XX20 Roman numeral, the way back there, let's see what it says here.

It says, I wonder how many get recovered. Let's see what happens. How many do get recovered?

It says of alcohol who came to AA and really tried 50% got sobered once and remained that way.

That must be a permanent recovery. And this is 25% sobered up like a consumer relapsis.

and among the remainder we stayed all they showed improvement well that's pretty good it looks like a pretty high percentage of the folks who try this thing it's in the book get recovered that's pretty good statistics there i like that but i wonder what they mean by that improvement

Well, it was pointing out to me to check that improvement.

I don't know.

Now, I got a choice.

I can come to AA and I can get recovered, or I can hang around and just don't drink and go to meetings, and I can get improved.

Now, let's hear a guy got improved.

I wonder who they're talking about.

I'll bet they're talking about this guy here over here on page 32.

I'll bet you that's what they mean by improvement.

Let's see what happened to this guy here who improved.

He said a man of 30 was doing a great deal of spree drinker.

Well, that's that's good.

It says he's nervous and everything having an awful time.

I'm just going down kind of fast.

It says that he quit drinking for a long time and he quit drinking for 25 years.

Oh, boy, that's in truth.

That sounds pretty good to me.

Let's see what else it says.

It says, uh-oh, he started drinking again.

25 years.

He said he tried to regulate his drinking and everything like that.

And then down to the bottom of the page, top the next page, it says,

this is every attempt failed.

The robust man at retirement, he went to pieces quickly and was dead in four years.

Uh-oh.

Well, that was really some great improvement, but it wasn't enough.

Bill Wilson used to say the good is the enemy of the best.

And in this guy's story, he just improved, I can see that.

Improvement is not good enough for the real alcoholic.

I think what they're telling us here, that the real alcoholic is got to get what's called recovered,

which is the best, rather than a good which is just improvement.

So I'm glad to see this.

This got me pretty excited.

Again, if I can get recovered and stay recovered, permanent recovery,

even immediate recovery, perhaps, how exciting that is.

And I'm not going to have to go around day after week, after month, after year, just recovering, getting a little bit better every day.

I can get recovered at the beginning of this thing.

If I find out what the problem is, if I find out what the solution is, and I find out how to get from the problem to the solution,

and then I'll learn how to stay there.

Well, that was exactly what I wanted, and that's what I tried.

Well, let's go back to the book and see what kind of a deal this is.

Now here on a Roman numeral 11, it says because this book has become the basic text.

Text.

I don't like textbooks too much.

You don't mean to a lot of work.

But it says basic text.

In other words, this isn't something I suppose to read.

It's something I'm supposed to study.

Somewhere, early on, somebody told me you're supposed to read it first,

then you're supposed to study it, and then you're supposed to eat it,

and then you're supposed to digest it, and then it becomes you, and you become it,

and you become recoverant.

Well, that's pretty simple, but I thought I'd give it a try.

I thought I'd give it a try.

So I started to study that book.

right at the first, as soon as I could.

Might not have made too much sense out of it, but I started studying it.

And I found some things on my own,

but most things I know were pointed out to me

from another member,

and other members, especially for a lot of tapes.

But the basic text seems to me, well, to the textbook, it must have some kind of clear-cut things.

Because I heard around that there's just a lot of maybe nice spiritual truce in this book,

and you can take a truth here and take a truth there and kind of make up your own program,

sort of smorgasmore like, or take what you want and leave the rest,

or you could probably maybe just get it through osmosis, sitting around, A, A, means, listening to people talk.

Well, maybe that would be it.

But I wonder what it says here.

Now, here it says on the very next page over Roman numeral 13.

Okay.

It says to show other alcoholics.

Precisely how we have recovered is the main purpose of this book.

Precisely.

Well, if this is a textbook, isn't that good.

It's going to say precisely how to do it.

And then over here on page 20, just regular number of page 20.

Let's see what it says here.

It says that the purposes of this book is to answer such questions.

What's it say?

Specifically.

And then on page 29, it says, further on, at the top of the page, you got it?

Okay.

It says further on, clear-cut directions are given showing how we recover.

That recovered again, too.

But clear-cut.

So we got so far, we got precisely, we got specifically, and we got clear-cut.

And if that isn't enough, let's go to page 45.

Okay.

And 45, down toward the middle of book, the second paragraph he starts, it says, well, that's exactly what this book is about.

So it's going to tell us specifically.

It's going to tell us clear-cut directions.

It's going to tell us exactly.

And it tells us precisely.

So, in other words, a textbook.

That's exactly what a textbook does.

It tells those things.

It doesn't when you...

study a book on algebra, for instance, it's not going to say, well, we sort of think that maybe it's suggested that X might be sort of like a three or a four or something like that.

No, it's not going to say. It's going to tell you exactly specifically. It'll be clear-cut directions to teach you how to do it.

So, this is a book to teach us how to do things.

So we can take these words that it says in here and take them pretty seriously as though they really mean something specifically.

And not only that, by the way this is laid out, they're going to connect with some other idea in the book.

the wonderful

friends we listen to a lot, Joe

and Charlie, and their tapes, they talk

about how that algebra,

and how you couldn't learn to do algebra unless you learn

how to add and subtract, multiply, and divide.

And only then can you do algebra. So if I don't

find out the problem, I probably won't

know much about the solution. If I don't know much about the solution,

I can't do much about the plan program of action,

and I can't do the maintenance steps unless I know all that

stuff. So maybe it would be good

just to slowly overlook these

these exact precise directions.

Notice it didn't say any about suggested yet,

but it's a phrase in mind.

Anyway, there are directions here.

And let's see.

Just sort of an overview of what we're going to have to see here.

I know I took a college class one time,

and they said what we're going to learn.

They told us the first part,

and they showed us sort of an overview of the things we'd be taught.

So we kind of get things in perspective.

Well, we know we're going to learn four things here.

And let's get the table of content to look at all.

First of all, we're going to learn a problem.

And the problem is explained to us in the doctor's opinion and Bill Storick.

So you can mark that, if you like, in your book, in a table of contents.

And then mark the solution.

And there are three chapters that have to do with the solution to the problem.

And that's chapter two, there is a solution.

Chapter three, more about alcoholism.

And chapter four, we've agnostics.

And in that, we're going to find out the solution.

Now, we want to find out.

The next two things, which are the plan program of action and the maintenance steps, or maintenance procedures if you prefer, and those two things are in Chapter 5, how it works, six into action, and seventh, working with others.

Following all that, it's a lot of other good writing and so on, and pertinent and good information.

But really that is the end of the steps, that is from the beginning to the end.

This is Step 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

And that brings us from the beginning of the book up to page 103.

So let's look now at the problem.

Let's see what is meant by the powerlessness described in the first step.

Admittedly were powerless over alcohol.

their lives are become manageable.

In all, the Big Book of Dealing with the Problem of Powerlessness

Discusses primarily, in a very simple way,

two types of powerlessness for real alcohol.

There's a type of powerlessness that happens after the first drink.

And then there's another type of powerlessness that is in process, before the first drink.

The first part of this thing, as you probably have heard already, that's physical allergy coupled with a mental obsession.

And he talks about the physical allergy at the very first.

Let's see what he says.

Let's turn to Dr.'s opinion, Romanumo, 26, XXV1, I guess.

It says that we believe, and it's so suggested a few years ago, that the action of alcohol on chronic alcoholization of an allergy...

that the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in an average temperate drinker.

This is all we really need to know about what happens to us after the first drink.

Now he's going to say this again.

At the top of page 27, Roman numeral, it says,

After they have succumbed to the desire again, as so may do, and the phenomenon of craving develops,

they pass through the well-known stage of a spree, emerging remorseful with a firm resolution not to drink again.

This is repeated over and over, and unless this person can experience an entire psychic change,

there is little hope of his recovery.

So, it's a phenomenon of craving, once they take a drink, the physical allergy clicks in, and we're gone.

And here we go. He comes over here, literally page 28 Roman numeral.

And he talks about four or five different kinds of alcoholics there on the second paragraph down.

And then the next paragraph says this.

It says all these, all these different types of drinkers and many others have one symptom in common.

They cannot start drinking without developing the phenomenon of craving.

So there we have a common symptom of all real alcoholics that is after the first drink.

The average temperature drink does not have that.

So here we see about all we need to know about what is the powerlessness of the first step.

We found out everything we need to know about the physical allergy of the first step.

And all this takes place after we take the first drink.

If we don't take the first drink, none of this makes very much difference.

So you notice Dr. Silkworth doesn't go way into, oh, he's gone to wail and holler about cirrhosis of the liver, about blackouts, about all the physical allergies we know, alcoholic sores, Jake Blake.

That's just confusing.

All we need to know.

At least all the alcoholics anonymous people seem to know, and that's all I need to know about it, is that when I take a drink, I develop a phenomenon of craving, and that's all I need to know about the second kind of palace. Our common problem, our common allergy is that.

So, and that's one thing I find in this wonderful book. Everything is very, very simple.

One could never brag about how much one knows about this book, because this book is a basic text,

but it's written for people with fried brains like mine was.

It's written for people who aren't too smart.

So they keep it real simple.

So don't worry if you talk about the book and somebody fused you bragging about it.

This isn't exactly Einstein's theory yet.

That's pretty simple stuff.

The phenomenon of craving is what we mean by the physical allergy, and that happens after the first drink.

So...

That's all we need to say about that.

So we're halfway through the first step already, it seems like.

Let's see, what's the other part?

Well, the other part was the mental obsession, which happens before the first term,

which we see Dr. Silkworth discussing on page 26, way down to the bottom, last paragraph of page 26, Roman Normal, 26.

men and women drink essentially

because they like the effect produced by alcohol.

The sensation is so inlose that

while they admit it is injurious,

they cannot after time differentiate true from the false.

To them, their alcoholic life things are only normal one.

They are restless, irritable, and discontented

unless they can again experience that sense of ease and comfort,

which comes at once by taking a few drinks.

Drinks, they see others take them with impunity.

So there's a beginning of the see the second part

The mental obsession part that we alcohols have for some reason or other,

so they don't bother telling why we had it.

They don't go into psychology of it, all that would be interesting, perhaps.

But it doesn't bring about recovery from alcoholism.

We don't need to know all that.

All we need to know is that we have an obsession of the mind.

Somebody told me I had a drunken monkey in my head.

Well, that's a good way to put it.

I had a drunken monkey in my head, and today the drunken monkey's gone.

In early sobriety, it was not, and I wanted to get rid of that drunken monkey because it wanted to drink.

It wanted to get me, and it would not allow me to see the truth in the matter of drink.

The obsession is a thought that is so powerful to cancel out all other thoughts.

An obsession is almost like a screen.

that shuts out the truth in the matter of a drink for the real alcoholic.

It filters out the truth and the matter of drinking and truth just doesn't get through.

It might get through every day for 35, 40, 50 days, or even for a year or two.

It'll fill the truth will filter it through all that much.

It won't that time.

It closes up and the truth doesn't get through.

And the alcoholic, a drunken monkey, takes charge again, and the alcoholic drinks.

Now let's turn to page 23, regular page 23, and see what it says there.

At the very top, the first paragraph,

and these observations would be academic and pointless of a friend never took the first drink,

thereby setting the terrible cycle in motion.

Therefore, the main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind rather than in his body.

So the obsession of the mind is the main problem.

So the main problem is before the first drink.

The secondary problem is after the first drink.

Now, believe it or not, folks, I have recovered from that mental obsession.

However, I do not believe I will ever recover from the physical allergies.

If I take a drink, which I haven't ever done since my first AA meeting,

I believe I will develop a phenomenal craving like so many people we see do.

I believe that with all my heart.

But it's a moot point. It just doesn't matter.

I haven't wanted to drink.

I can see the truth in the matter of drink as clear.

Just clear.

Just as clear as can be.

So you can see why the main problem is in the mind before the first drink.

The main kind of powerlessness is before the first drink.

And it's called an obsession of the mind.

Well, the secondary problem is a physical allergy.

which is really a moot point so long as I don't take the first drink,

but the phenomenon of craving will develop.

I'm sure of that.

And there again, when we talk about recovered,

this is what we get recovered from, is from the mental obsession,

not the physical allergy after the first drink.

So it makes it a moot point.

And so that's the two things that Dr. Silkworth.

And...

The rest of the book here up at this point has sort of described for us.

It has described the problem.

Bill brings us to understand, however, that all drinkers do not have this main problem,

this obsession of the mind.

And they can use self-will and self-knowledge, and they can quit drinking.

Let's turn to page 20, down toward the bottom.

It says moderate drinkers have little trouble giving

liquor entirely if they have a good reason for it.

They could take it or leave it alone.

In other words, they can use self-will and self-knowledge.

And then he says, then we have a certain type of hard drinker.

He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally.

It may cause him to die a few years before his time.

If a sufficiently strong reason, ill health, falling in love, change of environment,

or the warning of a doctor becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate,

though he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

So this bird here, he can use self-will and self-knowledge.

But Bill says, what about the real alcoholic?

You can write this in your book, if you like.

On page 21, it says real alcohol, maybe for the first time.

But then he says it again on page 30 and 31 and 34 and 35 and 92 and 109.

So he wants us to know that the real alcoholic is somebody who cannot use self-will and self-knowledge over the long haul.

He'll always get drunk again.

and so Bill's going to tell us a few stories about that.

He's already told us a little bit about that already in some stories,

and let's see what he has to say.

He's going to tell us several different times now in these stories

how that self-well and self-knowledge will not work for a real alcoholic.

Funny, somebody says, Bill tells you what he's going to tell you,

And then he tells you.

And then he tells you what he told you.

And this is what he's going to do here.

Let's turn back to page five.

And Bill's story here.

And we get at this point.

He says, I woke up this had to be stopped.

So I could not take as much as one drink.

Self-knowledge.

I was through forever.

Before that, I'd written lots of sweet promises.

But my wife happily observed this time I met business.

And so I did self-will.

Let's see whether it worked. What's the next sentence say? Shortly afterward, I came home drunk.

Okay, let's turn to page 35. And we find out about Jim. Let's see where the Jim can use self-will and self-knowledge.

and it says a lot of wonderful things about Jim.

We don't have time to go on getting to here.

It says he's a real alcoholic at the bottom of page 35.

We see that.

And we see he tries self-will and self-knowledge.

And oh, once we find this guy poured whiskey in his milk, and it didn't work.

and so that's one place we see that self-will and self-knowledge didn't work again.

And then at the bottom of page 37, another example, the wonderful Jay Walker story.

And there we find that self-will and self-knowledge didn't work for this bird.

And we also find there's a guy Fred over here on page 39.

And it tells a nice story about how Fred tried to use self-will and self-knowledge.

And it didn't work for him either.

And...

At the top paragraph on page 40, the last sentence of that first paragraph talks about self-knowledge.

And down toward the bottom of the page, towards the last paragraph,

you'll find he talks about willpower, didn't work for him either.

So that's where some of the places where you can find a book where self-will and self-knowledge don't work in these particular stories.

So in this, we get a view, and that's about all we'll be saying about the problem of powerlessness at this point.

If the problem was powerlessness, then the solution seems to be power.

That's pretty simple.

And the power seems to come from two places, two sources.

One source of the power is the fellowship,

and the other source of power seems to be from a higher power than fellowship.

Let's turn to page 25.

almost none of us like the self-searching the leveling of a pride the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation but we saw that it really worked in others there's the first part there's the fellowship part see it really works in others

And so that's one part.

And we had come to believe in the hopelessness and futility of life as we've been living in.

When therefore, we were approached by those in whom the problem had been solved, fellowship against me.

There was nothing left for us to do but to pick up the simple kit of spiritual tools laid at our feet.

We found much of heaven maybe rocketed into a fourth dimension in existence of which we've not even dreamed.

So you can see there the fellowship serves to help.

Fellowship supports.

The fellowship shows the direction.

But yet the fellowship does not seem to be enough.

Let's turn to page 17.

And it talks about the people on the liner, and we can read through all that.

And down at the bottom of the second paragraph, it says the feeling of having shared in a common peril is one element in the powerful cement, which binds us.

But that in itself would never have held us together as we are now doing.

So it says the fellowship is not enough.

We're going to have to have something else.

The tremendous fact for us is that we have discovered a common solution.

a common solution, which is not fellowship, of course.

And somebody said that surviving on the fellowship is untreated alcoholism.

Survival on the fellowship is untreated alcoholism.

I like that.

I put that in my book.

But at least we have a common solution, which is other than fellowship.

And it goes at the top of page 26.

We find Carl Jung...

who found out what the solution was a long time ago, talking to Roland.

And Roland's important now because he's the one that brought the message to every year, as you know, brought the message to Bell.

But...

We're going to find out here about this vital spiritual experience.

The fellowship serves on one hand.

There's some power there, but the main power seems to be from the vital spiritual experience.

And here is a doctor talking about what it means to have a vital spiritual experience.

And he's talking to Roland here at the top of page 27.

and he says the doctor said you have the mind of a chronic alcoholic i've never seen one single case recover where that state of mind existed to the extent it does in you our friend felt as though the gates of hell had closed on him with a clang

he said that the doctor is there no exception yes replied the doctor yes there is exceptions of cases such as yours have been occurring since early times here and there once in a while alcoholics have had what are called vital spiritual experiences

To me, these occurrences are phenomena.

They appear to be the nature of huge emotional displacements and rearrangements, ideas, emotions, and attitudes which are once the guiding forces of the lives of these men, are suddenly cast to one side.

And a completely new set of conceptions and motives begin to dominate them.

And here we find out on page 27 what a vital spiritual experience is.

Later on, they wrote the book a little bit,

put an appendix in the back of the book

to let us know there is such a thing as an awakening too.

And let's turn to page 569.

And at the very top of that,

it talks about the term spiritual experience and spiritual awakening

are used many times this book,

and upon careful reading,

shows that personality change sufficient

to bring about recovery from alcoholism

has manifested itself among us in many forms.

It lets us know

In this particular page, a vital spiritual experience which is fast or a spiritual awakening, which is slow, both have the very same result, the one we came here for, was to have a personality change sufficient to recovery, bring about recovery from alcoholism.

It says also down to bottom of page 5, 6, 9, it says that William James calls the educational

book variety because they develop slowly over a period of time.