Workshop on their personal experience with working the steps in Minneapolis, MN
All
right,
I've
had
I've
had
a
really
good
time
here
this
weekend
meeting
a
lot
of
you.
It's
is
a
great
town.
You
know,
you're
my
kind
of
people
and
you
know,
I'm
really,
really
happy
to
be
here.
I
Peter
was
sharing
a
little
bit
about
the
the
4th
and
the
5th
step,
and
that
is
so
key,
I
believe
in
in
being
able
to
identify
the
causes
and
conditions
of
my
failure
at
life.
It
it
just
really
is.
I
have
one
story
I
can
tell
you
about
a
fifth
step.
There
was
a
period
of
time
where
I
was
just
doing
way,
way
too
much
sponsoring.
If
he
can
do
such
a
thing,
I'd
like
50
guys
I
was
working
with
and
they're
all
coming
through
the
house.
I
mean,
you
know,
once
and
they're
all
coming
through
the
house.
And
there
was
this
one
guy.
I
hadn't
thought
about
him
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
And
I
thought,
you
know,
he
owes
me
a
fist
up.
So
I
call
him
up.
I
say
get
over
my
house,
bring
your
first
step.
We're
doing
it
this
Saturday.
So
he
shows
up
at
the
house,
he
walks
in
and
we
go.
We
go
upstairs
and
he
starts
reading
and
I
start
to
get
this
feeling
a
Deja
vu,
you
know,
and
I
realize
about
3
resentments
in
that
he'd
already
done
this
first
step
with
me.
I'd
completely
forgot.
And
he's
going
on
and
on
and
on.
And
I'm
thinking,
Oh
my
God.
So
this
is
a
this
is
a
program
that
demands
rigorous
honesty.
So
I
say
to
him,
I
say
to
him,
I
go,
you
know,
with
cases
like
yours,
I
like
to
do
this
twice,
you
know,
And
yeah,
I
because
I,
I
didn't
want
to
look
stupid.
And
that's
not
the
bad
part.
He
started
doing
that
with
all
the
guys
he
was
working
with.
So
he's
doing
he's
this
guys
doing
double
fist
steps
to
this
day
anyway.
Or
can
it
hurt?
I
guess
right.
But
OK,
I've,
I've
recognized
that
I'm
alcoholic
and
I'm
in
a
real
lot
of
trouble.
The
whole
quality
of
my
life
is,
is
in
the
toilet.
I
mean,
I,
I
just
can't
be
happy.
I
come
to
believe
that
there's
a
power
greater
than
myself
that
can
restore
to
me
to
sanity,
not
only
provide
the
protection
from
the
first
rank,
but
to
to
provide
direction
and
care
in
my
life
and
the
power
that
I
need
to
be
able
to
really
live
a
really
quality
life
and
be
able
to
do
the
things
I
want
to
do.
I
come
to
believe
in
that.
After
I've
come
to
believe
in
that,
I'm
ready
to
make
a
decision
to
seek
that.
If
I
can
seek
that,
that
that
power,
if
I
can
enlist
that
power,
if
I
can
participate
with
that
power,
I
can
be
safe
and
protected
from
the
next
drinker
drug.
I
can
recover
from
alcoholism
and
the
problems
in
my
life
can
start
to
become
solved.
I
can
outgrow
fear,
I
can
abandoned
my
resentment,
the
guilt
and
remorse
and
the
shame
can
be
can
can
disappear
depression,
anxiety,
all
that
stuff
can
leave
me
if,
if
I
make
the
decision
to
seek
this
power.
So
in
in
step
three,
I
make,
I
make
a
decision
to
seek
the
power.
I,
I,
I
make
a
decision
to
stop
playing
God.
I
make
a
decision
that
God
is
going
to
be
my
director.
He's
going
to
be
the
principal,
He's
going
to
be
the
father.
And
I'm
going
to
have
to
try
to
align
myself
with
being
directed,
being
the
agent,
being
the
being
the
child.
And
after
making
that
decision,
it
says
we
launch
into
action.
We
need
to
launch.
Our
decision
is
going
to
be
meaningless
unless
unless
once
followed
up
by
a
course
of
vigorous
action.
So
we
launch
into
this
vigorous
action.
I
said,
I
speak
sometimes
to
the
guy
who's
an
airline
pilot,
my
friend
Doug,
and
he
was
explaining
the
term
launch
to
me.
I
said,
Doug,
what
does
launch
mean?
He
goes
launch
means
going
from
zero
to
200
miles
an
hour
in
a
matter
of
feet,
You
know,
so
if
we're
going
to
launch,
if
we're
going
to
immediately
and
we're
going
to
launch
into
a
vigorous
course
of
action,
what
does
that
mean?
Does
that
mean
that
we
can
do
this
Step
3
and
then
go
on
vacation
to
Cancun
for
a
while?
No,
we're
supposed
to.
We're
supposed
to
start
writing
immediately
after
we
get
up
off
of
our
knees.
Basically.
That's
the
way
they
did
it
in
the
day.
That's
that's
when
they
had
the
highest
recovery
rates.
And
that's
the
way
I
want
to
do
it
because
I'll
tell
you
what
I
would
like
to
have
a
really
good
recovery
rate
chance.
So
I
start
writing,
I
do
my
inventory,
I
do
the
four
column
resentment.
I
do
the,
the
fear
inventory.
I
do
the
harms
to
others
inventory.
I
develop
a
sex
ideal
by
looking
at
the
the
sex
harms
on
my
inventory.
You
know,
it
basically
says
that
US
Alcoholics,
we're
way,
way
overboard,
you
know,
with
our
relationships
and
how
we
view
people
and
how
we
maneuver
and
operate.
We're
like
selfish
and
self-centered
and
we
get
involved
in
relationships
and
it's
all
about
us
and
what
can
we
get?
And
you
know,
how
can
we
maneuver?
How
can
we
manipulate?
How
can
we
get
what
we
want?
We'll
bring
flowers
to
get
what
we
want
or
we'll
bring
threats,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
get
what
we
want.
And
all
of
this
causes
a
lot
of
damage
and
we
recognize
it
in
the
fourth
step.
And
at
that
point
in
time,
we
can
also
see
that
these
are
the
things
that
really
caused
the
problems
in
our
lives.
These
are
the
things
that
blocked
us
off
from
God.
They're
the
things
that
kept
us
from
having
effective
relationships.
They're
the
things
that
that
shot
us
in
the
foot
every
single
chance
we
got.
You
know,
we
couldn't
finish
anything.
We,
you
know,
we
were
expecting
people
to
judge
us
on
our
our
intentions
and
not
our
actions.
We
were,
you
know,
we
were,
we
were
just
at
life
and
we
start
to
recognize
all
this
stuff.
So
we
become
willing
to
have
God
remove
these
defects
of
characters
so
we
can
have
some
kind
of
quality
of
life.
And
back
in
the
day,
it
was
written
in
the
original
manuscript
that
we,
that
we
humbly
on
our
knees
ask
God
to
remove
our
character
defects,
holding
nothing
back.
So
that's
like
that's
the
way
I
like
my
guys
or
anybody
I'm
working
with
to
do
it.
There
is
a
depth
to
steps,
steps
6:00
and
7:00
that
over
the
course
of
time
in
your
recovery
become
more
meaningful
to
you.
There's
more
and
more
levels
to
the
onion.
You
know
what
I
mean?
Like
it's
very
possible
for
you
three
days
after
your
last
drunk
to
be,
you
know,
finished
with
step
6.
Does
that
does
that
mean
you
know
your
life
is
going
to
be
perfect?
No,
there's
an
evolution
to
to
your
recovery.
So
sometimes,
and
I
do,
I
to
this
day,
I
still
do
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
with
step
6:00
and
7:00
because
things
get
subtler
things,
things
go
below
the
radar.
You
know,
I'm
not
overtly
out
there
causing
disasters.
I'm
not
the
tornado
roaring
through
everybody's
life.
But
there
are
still
subtle
ways
that
I
manipulate
or
I
try
to
get
what
I
want
or
I,
you
know,
I'm
selfish.
And
you
know,
when
I
recognize
those,
I
inventory
them.
I
ask
God
to
remove,
remove
these
defects
of
character
that
are
causing
me
to
cause
harm
in
the
universe.
And
over
the
course
of
time,
you
know,
this,
this
become
a
process
for
me.
And
you
know,
steps
six
and
seven
are
really
an
amazing
thing.
Bill
said.
That's
this
is
where
we,
we
separate
the,
the
men
from
the
boys
or
something
in
the,
in
this,
in
the
step
up.
And
I
understand
a
little
bit
about,
about
what
he's,
what
he's
saying
about
that.
Now
just
to
demonstrate
a
little
bit
about
the
subtle
levels
of
of
6:00
and
7:00,
I
heard
somebody
offer
somebody
else,
this
is
an
exercise.
This
is
an
exercise.
Go
to
the
five
people
who
know
you
best
and
say
to
them,
listen,
I'm
working
on
a
spiritual
course
of
recovery
that's
going
to
help
save
me
from
alcoholism.
And
I
need
you
to
be
brutally
honest
with
me.
Write
down
every
single
character
defect
you
see
in
me.
You
know,
tell
me
exactly
how
I'm
wrong.
You
know,
it's
anything
that
you
can
think
of,
you
know,
and
just
write
that
down.
Would
you
do
that
for
me,
please?
Now,
now,
let
me
ask
you,
how
many
of
you
were
really
going
to
leave
here
today
and
go
do
that
exercise?
Sometimes
we
don't
even
want
to
know
what
our
character
defects
are.
You
know
what
I'm
saying?
So
there's
going
to
be
levels,
there's
going
to
be
processes
that
are
going
to
be
involved
with
six
and
seven.
But
I
believe
right
after
inventory,
right
after
sharing
the
5th
step
with
someone,
you're
about
as
close
as
you
can
be
to
having
the
defects
of
character
removed
that
God
is
going
to
show
you
at
that
period
of
time
anyway.
Now,
anybody,
anybody
in
here
ever
make
the
mistake
of
taking
some
time
in
between
step
6:00
and
7:00
to
do
steps
8:00
and
9:00?
You
know,
a
little
little
little
breathing
room,
you
know,
a
couple
of
months
off
now,
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
didn't
have
any
instructions
in
the
steps
when
I
was
first
getting
sober.
Somebody
would
raise
their
hand
in
a
meeting
and
say,
just
how
do
you
do
a
four
step
and
and
some
old
timer
go
kick
you
do
a
four
step
with
a
pencil.
Well,
thanks
for
that.
You
know,
I
learned
a
little
bit
down
the
road
that
they
didn't
know
how
to
do
a
four
step
either.
You
know,
that's
why
they
would
say
something
so
stupid.
But
anyway,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
of
of
instruction.
There
was
nobody
riding
me
through
the
steps.
So,
you
know,
I
was
listening
to
tapes
and
you
know,
I
was
I
was
doing
this
that
and
I
got
to
a
point
where
I
had
done
my
first
step.
I
mean,
I
felt
like
I
was
a
part
of
a,
A
Now
I'm
a
card
carrying
a,
a
member.
And,
you
know,
I
felt
comfortable
in
the
meetings
and
I
started
to
have
a
spiritual
experience
and
I
thought
now's
the
time
to
work
on
my
character
defects.
Anybody
in
here
ever
work
on
your
character
defects
yourself?
You're
gonna
you're
gonna
remove
your
character
defects.
It's
ugly,
isn't
it?
You
ever
see
that
game
whack
a
mole?
You
know
where
you
take
the
mallet
and
you
slam
it
down
on
the
moles
head
in
another
mole
pops
up
and
you
try
to
get
that
one
in
another
more?
Well,
that
that
was
me
trying
to
work
on
my
character
defects.
If
you're
trying
to
remove
your
character
defects,
I'm
telling
you
right
now,
you're
whacking
the
mole,
OK?
And
if
you
whack
the
mole
too
much,
you
know
what
happens?
You
go
blind
now.
So
I'm
telling
you
right
now,
don't
do
it.
It's
not
pretty,
OK?
Let
me
tell
you.
Let
me
tell
you
the
best.
Let
me
tell
you
the
best
atmosphere
for
for
the
removal
of
your
character
defects.
The
best
atmosphere
you
can
be
in
for
the
removal
of
your
character
defects
is
becoming
willing
to
make
amends
where
those
character
defects
have
harmed
other
people,
and
then
go
out
and
directly
make
amends
and
try
to
set
right
the
wrongs
that
you
have
caused.
You
can
do
that.
You
can't
wish
away
your
your
character
defects,
but
what
you
can
do
is
you
can
take
responsibility
for
them.
So
by
taking
responsibility
for
them,
you're
in
the
best
possible
spiritual
climate
for
the
removal
of
your
character
defects.
If
you
haven't
gone
out
and
made
amends
and
your
life
is
still
a
mess,
don't
look
at
the
surprise
on
my
face.
It
won't
be
there.
You
know
what
I'm
saying?
I've
got
some
experience
with
with
with
the
8th
and
the
9th
step.
Here's
here's
how
I
do
it.
And
I'm
not
a
slave
to,
to
the
mechanics.
If
you
want
to
write
a
list,
that's
fine.
What
I
do
is
I
do
them
on
index
cards
and
I'll
write
down
on
the,
on
the
first
part
of
the
index
card,
the
person
I
harmed
and
the
harm
that
I'm
clear
on.
And
I
try
to
be
very
specific
about
the
harm.
You
know,
I,
I
try
to,
it's
got
to
be
the
truth,
exactly
what
I
did.
And
you
know,
I'll
put
the
person's
name
and,
and
then
what,
what
I
usually
use
is
I'll
use
a
plus
and
a
-.
A
lot
of
times
when
you're
assembling
your
amends,
you
feel
diffident
about
going
people.
In
other
words,
you're
you're
a
little
scared
about
actually
going
and
making
direct
amendments.
You
don't
feel
like
you
have
the
power,
the
spiritual
fortitude
right
at
that
minute
to
go
out
and
make
amends.
Some
of
these
amends
are
scary.
Some
of
them
might
cause
problems.
Some
of
them
you
need
to
discuss
them
with
somebody.
But
if
I
don't
feel
comfortable
right
that
minute
going
to
make
the
immense,
I
put
a
minus.
If
I
feel
like
I
can
make
that
amends
right
now,
I'm
clear
on
it.
I'll
go,
you
know,
today,
whatever,
I'll
put
a
plus.
OK,
So
I'll
assemble
these
cards.
Usually
I'll
sit
with
a
sponsor
or
spiritual
advisor,
let
them
know
what
the
harm
is
and
get
some
feedback
on
the
approach
and
what
the
immense
should
look
like.
Now,
this
is
another
thing
that
you
know,
when
you're
out
there
making
amends,
all
kinds
of
things
can
happen.
It
can
end
up
not
going
the
way
you
want
it
to.
Nine
chances
out
of
10,
though,
it
ends
up
going
better
than
you
think
it
will.
But
I
want
to
be
clear
a
little
bit
on
how
I
could,
how
I
could
offer,
set
right
those
wrongs.
And
I'll
put
that
on
the
back
of
the
card.
Now,
our
book,
our
book
is
very,
very
clear
on
on
the
immense
process
for
criminal
amends.
It's
pretty
clear
on
the
man
we
hated.
It's
pretty
clear
on
if
we've
stepped
down
on
the
misses.
You
know,
I
know
that
nobody
in
here
has
ever
done
such
a
thing
like
that,
but
it
covers
that
topic,
OK,
Domestic
troubles,
troubles
with
the
family.
There's
very,
very
few
amends
that
there
aren't
instructions
in
our
book.
And
it's
it's
a
good
idea
to
get
clear
on
on
those
instructions
prior
to
making
amends.
But
let's
say
I've
made
my
list
and
I
have
my
stack.
You
know,
if
it's
your
first
immense
stack,
I've
seen
anywhere
from
20
to
150
amends.
It
usually
doesn't
go
go
further
up
than
that.
There's
a
men's
cards
for
people
that
you
you
can't
see
anymore.
They
could
be
one
night
stands
or
they
could
be
somebody
you
robbed
and
you
don't
even
know
who
where.
There
can
be
a
lot
of
events
like
that,
but
you
have
you
have
a
stack
of
cards
about
Yay
Bing
now.
Nothing
will
put
muscle
in
your
recovery
more
than
step
9.
Step
9
is
a
transformational
experience.
But
here's
what
you
think
before
you
go
into
step
nine.
Oh
my
God,
I
can't
do
that.
This
will
happen
or
that
will
happen,
or
I'll
look
like
a
jerk
or
they'll
tell
everybody.
I
mean,
your
ego
is
going
to
come
up
with
every
excuse
in
the
world
to
not
do
this
step.
It's
going
to
be
a
battle
between
your
spirit
and
your
ego.
And
you
know
what?
You're
going
to
need
every
bit
of
enthusiasm,
every
bit
of
support
you
can
get,
your
sponsors
and
the
people
that
you're
working
with
to
get
through
this
process
because
it's
not
easy.
It
takes
a
lot
of
courage.
Courage
is
walking
through
fear,
being
afraid
and
doing
it
anyway.
You
know
what
I
mean?
And
I'm
telling
you,
Alcoholics
are
courageous
people.
I
have
seen
the
most
amazing
amends
that
that
you
can
even
imagine
done.
You
know
what
I
mean?
I
mean,
I
sponsor.
I
sponsor
a
guy
who
who
was
on
his
way
to
a
rehab,
drunk
across
the
double
yellow
and
hit
a
nurse
coming
out
of
the
rehab
head
on
and
killed
her,
you
know,
and
I've
seen
this
guy
get
free,
did
his
time,
he
did
the
best
kinds
of
amends
he
could
do.
I
mean,
I've
seen
some
courageous
amends
in
my
day.
Don't
shortchange
yourself
from
this
experience.
It's
the
most
transformational
experience
in
the
12
step
process.
And
it's
the
one,
it's
the
ones
that
so
many
people
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous
that
they'll
try
to
talk
you
out
of
and
they're
going
to
try
to
talk
you
out
of
it
because
they
didn't
do
it
and
they
don't
want
you
to
be
a
better
AA
member
than
them
or
some
crazy
crap
like
that.
So
go
to
people
with
experience
to
help
you
get
through
this.
One
of
the
things
that
I
found
very,
very
helpful
was
a
steel
on
steel
format.
There's
some
people
that
can
explain
that
to
you
if
you
want.
But
basically
what
it
is,
it's
a
tight
little
support
group.
It's
like
you
meet
in,
there's
maybe
five
friends
or
something
that
meet
in
their
house
once
a
month
and
just
get
current
with
where
they
are
in
the
program.
Just
hey,
tell
me
where
you
are
in
the
in
the
three
areas
of
the
triangle.
Tell
me
how
you're
doing
with
your
meetings.
Tell
me
how
you're
doing
in
your
recovery
process.
Tell
me
how
what
you're
doing
in
service.
And
everybody
gets
current
with
each
other
and
we
keep
each
other
honest
about
this
process.
And
and
it's
a,
it's
a
very
challenging
format
for
amends
because
in
a
lot
of
the
steel
on
steels,
I
would
do,
I
would
go,
OK,
everybody
on
the
table
and
unfinished
immense
put
it
on
a
table.
I
know
you
guys
got
one.
And
everybody
would
come
up
with
an
amends
that
they
were
supposed
to
make.
And
we
would
challenge
each
other.
The
next
time
we
meet,
we
want
to
hear
about
how
that
amends
went.
You
need
every
bit
of
encouragement
you
can
get
to
do
this
because
again,
it's
so
damaging
to
the
ego.
It's
it's
so
damaging
to
the
ego
does
not
want
you
to
do
it.
Every
bit
of
your
alcoholism
will
be
crying
out,
no,
I
can't
go
there.
I
won't
do
that
with
that
person.
You
know,
I
mean,
I,
I
sponsor,
I
sponsored
a
guy
who
someone
sexually
abused
his
daughter
who
was
fourteen
or
something.
And
I
mean,
he
beat
the
crap
out
of
this
guy.
He
had
him
prosecuted
because
it
was
a
friend
of
the
family.
And
he
had
this
anger
inside
him
about
this.
This
guy
did
this
to
my
daughter
and
he
he
fuming
about
it.
And
he
came
to
me
with
his
cards
and
he
goes,
listen,
Chris,
I'm
telling
you
right
now,
telling
you
right
now,
there's
a
card
in
there
and
I
don't
want
to
hear
it.
I
don't
want
to
hear
it.
It's
I
am
never
making
amends
to
this.
Do
you
know
what
this
guy,
I
am
never
making
amends
to
this
bastard.
I
don't
care
what
you
say
you
I
don't
even
know
why
I
wrote
the
card.
I
said,
I
guess
that's
a
minus
then,
you
know?
And
he
goes,
you're
damn
right.
It's
all
it
is.
Now
here's
what
here's
what
happened.
He
had
a
stack
about
that
high.
He
got
all
the
way
down
to
the
last
card
and
it
was
this
guy.
And
he
came
to
me
and
he
goes,
I
gotta
do
it.
I
can't
believe
I'm
at
this
point.
I
can't
believe
I'm
asking
you
this,
but
how
the
hell
am
I
gonna
do
this?
You
know?
And
and
we
worked
it
out.
He
actually
met
with
the
guy
at
a
diner
and
he
made
amends
for
his
part.
You
know
what
his
part
was?
The
hate
that
he
had
for
this
guy.
I
mean,
he
went
after
this
guy
with
a
vengeance
and
he
needed
to
get
free
of
that.
It
was
burning
him
up.
It
was
corroding
his
spiritual
condition.
Who
was
corroding
his
spiritual
condition?
You
know,
we
get
a
daily
reprieve
from
from,
from
alcohol
based
on
the
maintenance
of
our
spiritual
condition.
If
there's
something
corroding
our
spiritual
condition,
important
warning
sign,
you
know
what
I
mean?
Your
sobriety
could
be
in
peril.
So
he
did
this
he
got
done
he
was
finished
with
the
men's.
I,
I
have
never
seen
a
transformation
like
that
in
my
life
He's
worked
with
hundreds
of
Alcoholics.
He
gets
him
through
amends.
He's
carrying
the
message
all
over
the
place
and
his
life
is
on
fire
with
quality
and
spirituality
and
he's
one
of
the
happiest
guys
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life.
He
went
from
being
a
resentful,
pissed
off
alcoholic
to
just
being
like
this,
this
love
Buddha
guy,
you
know?
I
mean,
it
was
just
a
unbelievable
transformation,
you
know?
And
everybody
goes
to
him.
He's
everybody's
spiritual
advisor.
I
want
what
he
has,
you
know
what
I
mean?
And,
and
that
kind
of
transformation
is
possible
Now.
Peter
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
before.
There
is
opinions
and
there's
experience.
If
you
have
not
finished
your
amends,
don't
come
up
and
want
to
talk
to
me
about
you
don't
have
to
or
This
is
why
you
shouldn't
or
isn't
that
silly?
You're
going
to
be
giving
me
an
opinion
based
on
an
experience
you've
not
had.
Get
to
the
other
side
of
a
men's
finish
them
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
Some
people
can't
be
seen,
some
people
can't
be
approached
because
it'll
cause
more
harm
and
suffering.
I
understand
all
that,
but
when
you're
working
with
someone
who's
got
experience
with
these
steps,
go
as
far
as
you
absolutely
can.
When
you
get
to
the
other
side
then
come
talk
to
me
about
what
the
experience
is
like
completing
every
single
amends
your
consciously
aware
of.
At
this
point
in
time
there
is
a
new
freedom
and
a
new
happiness
that
you
have
no
idea
you
could
have
access
to.
How
about
the
removal
of
fear?
How
about
being
able
to
go
anywhere,
anytime,
not
worrying
about
seeing
anybody.
I
mean,
Alcoholics,
the,
the,
the
damage
we
do
going
through
life,
you
know,
we're
like
a
tornado.
I
mean,
when
you
know,
we've
hurt
neighbors
and
we,
we've,
we've
hurt
lovers
and
we,
you
know,
we've
hurt
family
and
we've
heard
employers.
And
how
about
if
you've
gone
to
every
single
one
of
them?
And
this
is
how
I
suggest
it's
done,
except
maybe
in
money
and
men,
sometimes
you
just
pay
the
money
back.
But
this
is
this
is
how
I
suggest
to
my
guys
to
do
it
because
this
is
how
I've
found
through
my
own
experience
is
the
best
way.
There's
three
questions
that's
very
that
are
very,
very
important
to
ask
when
you're
facing
somebody.
You,
you
know,
you
go,
you
get
clear
on
here's
the
harm
I've
caused
you.
I
was
wrong.
You
don't
say
you're
sorry,
you
say
you're
wrong.
I
was,
you
know,
I
didn't.
I
was
wrong.
You
know,
I
caused
these
harms.
And
then
when
you
get
done
with
that,
there's
three
questions
that
I
find
very,
very
helpful.
One
of
them
is,
have
I
left
anything
out?
Are
there
any
other
harms
on?
I'm
unclear
on
that.
I've
caused
you
and
then
shut
up
because
they'll
usually
tell
you,
okay
after
they've
told
you
okay.
Another
question
is
do
you
need,
do
you
need
to
talk
about
this
and
you
need
to
tell
me
how
it
made
you
feel?
Do
we
need
to
discuss
any
of
this
further?
And
then
shut
up
and
listen
and
they'll
tell
you.
They'll
tell
you
usually.
And
then
the
third
and
most
important
question
is
what
would
you
have
me
do
to
set
right
this
wrong?
What
would
you
have
me
do
to
set
right
this
wrong?
And
then
if
it's
if
it's,
if
it's
ethical,
if
it's
legal,
if
it's
moral,
if
it's
appropriate
and
if
it's
possible,
do
it,
whatever
that
is.
And
then
you've
completed
the
immense
most
of
the
times
they
don't
give
you
a
laundry
list
of
stuff.
They'll
say,
oh,
listen,
no,
this
is
just
great
that
you're
here.
You
know,
I'm
really
impressed.
And
you
know,
just
keep
doing
what
you're
doing.
They
tell
you
to
keep
doing
what
you're
doing,
then
keep
doing
what
you're
doing.
If
they
tell
you
just
stay
sober,
then
just
stay
sober.
How
you
complete
the
immense
All
right,
I
had
this
guy
he
was
training
for
to
be
an
alcoholism
counselor
and
he
was
in
his
master's
program
and
I
get
I
get
asked
to
speak
every
once
in
a
while
at
colleges
and
stuff
like
that.
And
my
main
topic
is
spiritual
recovery.
A
lot
of
people
that
are
in
MSW
programs,
you
know,
there's
not
really
a
course
spiritual
recovery.
They
teach
you
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
and
they
don't
teach
very
much
on
spiritual
recovery,
but
it's
important
because
there
are
periods
of
time
when
those
counselors
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
help
you,
when
those,
when
the
clinical
psychologists
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
help
you.
And
it's
important
for
them
to
understand
what
Alcoholics
Anonymous
is,
what
the
12
steps
really
is.
It's
a
spiritual
recovery
program.
So
I
gave
this
one
talk
and
this
guy
came,
guy
followed
me
out
into
the
hallway
and
he's,
he's
given
me
a
hard
time.
He's
going,
what
about
shame?
You
know,
don't
you
have
to
learn
to
live
with
shame?
And
I'm
like,
no.
And
he
goes,
well,
how
can
that
be?
I
I
don't
understand.
There's
got
to
be
a
way
that
you
can
deal
with
your
shame.
And
I
go,
no,
not
my,
I
don't
deal
with
any
shame.
And
he's
looking
really
confused.
And
I
asked
him
this
question.
I
go,
listen,
have
you,
have
you
ever,
have
you
ever
listed
out
all
the
people
that
you
have
harmed
in
your
life?
And
he
goes,
no.
And
I
go,
so
then
you've
never
directly
made
amends
to
those
people
and
asked
them
what
you
needed
to
do
to
set
right
those
wrongs.
And
he
goes,
no.
I
go,
then
how
do
you
know
if
you're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
shame
or
not?
You're
giving
me
an
opinion
based
on
an
experience
you've
never
had.
And
he
walked
away
real
confused
and
headed
out
to
council.
All
of
us,
you
know,
for
the
next
20
years
or
something,
Unfortunately.
But
but
anyway,
don't
cheat
yourself.
Get
to
the
other
side
of
immense.
Don't
hastily
run
out
there,
you
know,
get
some,
get
some
guidance
from
some
people
with
some
experience
because
you
can
actually
cause
harm
making
amends
that
you're
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
make
more
amends
for,
which
is,
you
know,
not
something
that
you
want
to
do.
Now,
this
thought
brings
us
to
step
10.
The
way
I
view
step
10
is
step
10
is
my
operational
step.
It's,
it's
my
reactive
step.
How
do
I
react
out
there
in
the
world?
I've
been
given
a
bunch
of
spiritual
exercises.
I've
been
given
a
bunch
of
spiritual
principles
that
I'm
supposed
to
find
guiding.
I'm
supposed
to
use
them
in
my
life
as
tools
to
be
able
to
get
along
with
myself,
my
fellow
man,
and
God.
In
step
10,
it
tells
us
to
continue
to
use
personal
inventory,
to
share
things,
to
make
amends
when
we're
wrong.
You
know,
to
work
with
another
alcoholic,
pray,
meditate.
It
basically
gives
us
a
laundry
list
of
all
of
the
steps
put
together.
And
it's
offering
this
as
a
walking
around
reactive
step.
How
are
you
going
to
react
tomorrow
when
the
boss
lays
you
off?
How
how
are
you
going
to
react
when
somebody
loses
their
mind
and
starts
yelling
at
how
are
you
going
to
react
when
somebody
rear
ends
you,
you
know,
at
a
stoplight?
All
of
these
things.
We
don't
stop
making
mistakes
just
because
we
get
sober
and
go
through
the
steps
in
Word
fought
indeed.
Every
single
day
we're
going
to
fall
short.
Falling
short
isn't
what's
going
to
get
you
drunk.
Making
those
mistakes
isn't
what's
going
to
deteriorate
your
spiritual
condition.
How
you
how
you
use
the
program
of
recovery
is
how
you're
going
to
make
sure
your
spiritual
condition
is
not
going
to
deteriorate.
It's
going
to
help
you
to
keep
things
from
building
up
in
your
life.
Now
I'm
someone
who
promotes
multiple
runs
through
the
steps.
It's
been
my
experience
that
every
couple
of
years
going
through
the
steps,
once
a
year,
once
every
six
months,
whatever
you
need,
you
go
through
the
steps.
And
what
I
found
by
doing
that
is
I
found
that
I
find
a
lot
of
stuff
on
the
4th
step.
I
find
a
lot
of
stuff
on
the
eighth
step
that
I've
missed
in
the
10th
step.
But
my
list
is
a
lot
shorter
these
days.
When
I
go
through
the
steps,
it
doesn't
take
me
long.
I
don't
have
a
big
inventory.
I
don't
have
a
whole
bunch
of
immense
cards.
It's,
it's
a
few
and
it's
because
of
my
ability
to
use
step
10
as
a
tool
to
keep
my
spiritual
life
in
the
best
possible
way
that
I,
I
can.
But
you're
going
to
miss
stuff.
It
says
in
the
step
book
of
many
of
us
go
in
for
annual
or
semi
annual
house
cleanings.
That's
a,
a
quote
right
out
of
the
12:00
and
12:00.
What
does
that
mean?
What's
a
house
cleaning?
I
believe
the
house
cleaning
is
steps
4
through
9
is
what
a
house
cleaning
is.
Get
your
get
your
spiritual
life
in
order.
We
aren't
good
at
walking
around
with
a
lot
of
unresolved
stuff
in
our
lives.
Alcoholics
it,
it
interferes
with
our
sobriety.
It
interferes
with
with
the
way
we
feel
about
ourselves.
We
do
much
better
not
having
any
outstanding
problems
out
there.
OK,
when
I
walked
into
AI,
probably
owed
100
of
men's
and,
you
know,
I'd
caused
all
kinds
of
harm.
I
was
afraid
to
walk
up
my
street.
I
was
afraid
to
go
to
the
supermarket
because
I'd
bump
into
somebody.
I
mean,
I
had
so
much,
so
much
stuff
going
on.
I,
I
just
couldn't,
you
know,
I'm
trying
to
get
sober.
You
know,
I,
it
was,
it
was,
it
was
rough.
And
today,
today,
you
know,
I
can
go
anywhere.
I
don't
care
who's
there.
I
don't,
I'm,
I'm
not
expecting
any
surprises
out
of
the
past
fear
really.
I
really
have
outgrown
the
fear
of
people.
And
that's
a
big
thing.
That's
a
really
good
thing.
It
allows
me
to
do
a
lot
of
things
in
my
life
that
I
otherwise
would
have,
would
have
been
too
anxious
or
or
have
have
way,
way
too
much
anxiety
to
be
able
to
do
so.
There's
a
freedom.
There's
absolutely
a
freedom
that
you
can
get
through
this
process.
So
step
10,
keep
your
side
of
the
street
as
clean
as
possible.
Keep
your
spiritual
condition
as
clean
as
possible.
Where
do
we
go
from
here?
There's
a
one
thing
I
hear,
I
heard
early
on
that
still
makes
sense
to
me
today
is
the
steps
are
in
order
for
a
reason.
Each
step
gives
you
the
power
to
do
the
succeeding
step.
If
you're
sitting
in
this
meeting
right
now
and
you're
thinking
about
what
I
had
talked
about
on
amends,
Oh
my
God,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
going
to
have
to
do
this
or
they're
going
to
expect
me
to
do
that.
Let
me
tell
you
right
now
if,
if
you're
not,
if
you
haven't
done
step
one
through
step
eight,
you
don't
have
the
power
for
step
9.
You
know,
don't
worry
about
thinking
that
you
can't
do
it
now.
Each
step
gives
you
the
power
to
do
the
succeeding
step.
So
they're
in
order
for
a
reason.
All
right,
you're
up.
You're
up
through
step
nine,
Step
10.
You're
living
in
a
day
with
step
10.
You're
in
the
moment
with
step
10.
What
is
really
going
to
help
to,
to
maintain
and
improve
and
perfect
your
spiritual
life
and
your
spiritual
condition?
Prayer
and
meditation,
prayer
and
meditation
have
been
known
for
a
gazillion
years
to
be
very,
very
beneficial
to
all
of
us.
It's,
it's
important
for
us
to
do
these
disciplines.
If
you
don't
pray
and
you
don't
meditate,
you're,
you're
missing
out
on
something.
If
you've
got
a
problem
with
God,
pray
and
meditate
anyway.
You
know,
you
know
what
I
mean
Just
do
it
and
after
a
while
you're
going
to
start
to
see
the
benefits
from
it.
But
there's
three
basic
parts
to
Step
11.
There's
upon
awakening.
There's
as
we
move
through
the
day
and
then
there's
when
we
retire
at
night.
OK,
Those
are
three
basic
disciplines.
Upon
awakening,
we
look
at
the
day.
Here's
basically
what
I
do.
I,
I
have
AI
have
a
prayer
ritual
that
I
do
every
day
just
to
kind
of
get
me
centered.
And
then
I
go
into,
then
I
go
into
meditation
and
I've
got
to
tell
you,
I,
I
would,
I
would
much,
it
would
be
much
easier
for
me
to
walk
out
outside
my
house
without
my
pants
on
than
to
leave
the
house
before
I
do
my
prayer
meditation.
It's
become
such
a
habit
to
me
that
I've
got
to
stop
everything
I'm
doing.
If
I
realize,
Oh
my
God,
I
forgot
to
do
the
prayer
of
meditation,
which
doesn't
happen
anymore,
but
it
used
to.
I've
got
to
pull
over.
You
know
what
I
mean?
I
mean,
it's,
I've
got
to
bring
God
into
my
day.
I've
got
to
bring
God
into
my
day.
The
power
has
to
be
in
me
at
all
times.
I
need
to
be
present
to
the
power
that's
operating
in
my
life.
I,
I
just
do.
I
just
do
it.
That's
the
power
that's
keeping
me
separated
from
booze.
That's
the
power
that's
that's
helped
me
recreate
my
life.
That's
the
power
that's
helped
me
relieve
me
of
the
bondage
of
my
character
defects.
That's
the
power
that
has
enabled
all
of
the
positive
things
in
my
life.
I
enabled
all
the
negative
things
in
my
life.
So
without
without
becoming
awake
and
aware
to
that
power
in
the
morning,
it's
very,
very
difficult
for
me
to
feel
throughout
the
day.
One
of
the
early
lessons
that
my
sponsor
told
me,
he
goes,
Chris,
you
know,
I
want
you
to
pray
in
the
morning
and
I
want
you
to
sit
in
the
silence
and
there's
going
to
be
days
when
you
forget
to
do
that.
I
want
you
to
pay
attention
to
the
days
when
you
forget
and
the
days
when
you
do
it
and
just
compare
those
days
took
me
like
a
month
to
realize
my
days
go
terrible
if
I
forget
to
pray
and
meditate.
And
they're
pretty
much
decent
when
I
do.
So
it
became,
it
became
a
habit.
It
became
a
habit
with
me
to
do
that.
As
we
move
through
the
day,
there's
a
lot
of
disciplines.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
them
all,
you
know,
read
your
own
big
book
on
this.
But
there's
practices
like
like
like
to
watch
for
selfishness,
to
watch
for
dishonesty.
When
these
crop
up,
we
ask
God,
it
wants
to
remove
them.
There's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
spiritual
directives
in
as
we
move
through
the
day.
And
as
we
move
through
the
day
is
directly
related
to
step
10
too.
How
do
we
react
out
there
when
we're
in
the
middle
of,
you
know,
when
all
hell
is
breaking
loose?
Like
most
of
us
can
be
spiritual
and
everything's
fine,
but
let
a
lot
of
lot
of
stuff
go
on,
you
know,
go
to
a
family
reunion
or,
you
know,
have
people
show
up
at
your
house
to
stay
for
a
week
that
you
you
weren't
expecting.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
happened
to
us.
How
how
spiritual
are
you?
Then
you
know
and
listen,
it's
it's
not
about
you
don't.
This
isn't
this
isn't
a
graded
program,
you
know,
get
A's,
BS
and
CS.
It's
a
pass
fail,
you
know
what
I'm
saying?
You
need
to
do.
You
need
to
do
what
you
can
do.
You
need
to
put
as
much
effort
as
you
can
put
in.
And
as
I
walk
through
the
day,
I
need
to
be
aware,
awake
and
aware
of
the
spirit
inside
me
awaken,
aware
of
the
way
I
need
to
live
my
life
in
a
spiritual
manner.
And
I
need
to
do
that
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
Again,
over
the
course
of
time,
you
know,
I'm,
I'm
talking,
I'm
talking
18
years
of
this
for
me,
I've
gotten
better
and
better.
There's
an
evolution
to
your
recovery,
but
you
need
to
get
need
to
get
on
the
path
today.
I
caused
very
little
harm
in
the
universe.
I
really
do.
I
cause
very
little
harm
in
the
universe.
But
it
wasn't
long
ago
when
I
was
causing
a
lot
of
harm.
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
I
found
very,
very
difficult
to
deal
with
for
many
years
was
judgmentalism,
Man,
I
was
judgmental.
I
that
meeting
over
there,
that
person,
Sharon
over
here.
Oh,
no,
that
their
hand
is
going
up
again.
Or
my
boss.
My
boss
was
always
a
jerk,
you
know,
the,
the
cops
were
always
after
me.
You
know,
the
wrong
political
parties
in,
you
know,
the
economy's
going
to
hell,
you
know,
and,
and
I
was
wrapped
up,
I
was
wrapped
up
in
a,
in
a
very
negative
worldview.
And
over
the
course
of
time
practicing
the
spiritual
principles
here,
here's
basically
what's
happened.
I've
gone
from
a
worldview
built
on
fear
to
a
worldview
built
on
love
and
service.
It's
been
a
shift
in
perception.
You
know
what
a
miracle
is?
A
is
a
shift
in
perception.
It's
seeing
something
differently.
It's
seeing
something
with
a
new
pair
of
glasses.
What
you
used
to
just
drive
you
crazy.
Now
it
doesn't
bother
you
at
all
when
you
when
you
see
somebody
who's
who's
acting
out
and
outrageous
in
a
meeting,
you
know,
and
you
used
to
think
that
they
shouldn't
be
there.
Now
you're
seeing
there's
somebody
that
needs
some
help.
You
know,
it's
a
shift
in
perception.
You're
seeing
things
differently,
all
right?
This
comes
from
constant
attention,
I
believe,
to
the
Step
11
disciplines.
Now
when
we
retire
at
night,
we
constructively
review
our
day.
Constructively
is
an
operative
word.
We
want
to
get
better.
We
don't
want
to
beat
ourselves
up.
We
don't
want
to
sit
in
self
pity
and
say
to
ourselves,
oh,
I'm
never
going
to
get
better.
I
do.
This
is
all
you
know.
Don't
worry
about
that.
Just
recognize.
Recognize
some
of
the
mistakes
you've
done.
Recognize
some
of
the
good
things
you've
done,
but
recognize
some
of
the
mistakes
that
you've
done
and
a
lot
of
times
this
is
it's
good
to
do
this
by
writing.
OK,
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
that
I
write
every
night
doing
my
11
step.
But
if
something
comes
up
that
I
need
to
pay
attention
to
tomorrow,
if
I
need
to
make
an
amends
tomorrow,
if
I
need
to
set
write
something,
if
I've
lied
to
somebody,
if,
if,
if
I've
misrepresented
a
situation
to
somebody
and
it
and
I
catch
it
in
my
11th
step,
there's
a
reason
I'm
catching
it
in
my
11th
step.
I
need,
it
needs
to
be
dealt
with
and
I'll
do
a
ten
step
of
men's
or
something
like
that
the
next
day
or
whatever.
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
learn
how
to
live
a
spiritual
life
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
and
we're
enlisting
God's
aid
in
every
way
we
can
to
help
us
get
there
because
the
spiritual
life
is
not
for
everybody.
It
is,
it's
a,
it's
a,
it's
a,
it's
a
narrow,
it's
a
narrow
path.
And
it
takes
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
effort,
a
lot
of
discipline,
a
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
and
a
lot
of
support
from
a
higher
power.
All
right,
I'm
going
to
move
into
Step
12
having
had
a
spiritual
awakening
as
the
result
of
these
12
steps,
All
right,
What
does
that
say?
What
does
that
mean,
having
had
an
awakened
spirit
as
a
result
of
the
course
of
action
from
steps
one
through
11?
I
don't
believe
you
can
have
a
spiritual
awakening
as
the
result
of
steps
you
haven't
taken.
Now
I
do,
I
do
a
lot
of
work,
you
know,
in
beginners
meetings
and
and
rehabs
and
detoxes
and
every
once
in
a
while
somebody
raise
their
hands
and
I
had
my
spiritual
awakening
out
on
the
stool
out
there
with
Harry.
I'm
like
you're,
you're
talking
about
a
spiritual
experience.
A
spiritual
experience
is
that
is
a
one
shot.
It's
like
we've
all
had
spiritual
experiences.
If
you
did
any
LSD,
you
probably
had
some,
you
know
what
I
mean?
We've
all
had
spirit,
but
the
spiritual
experience
is
something
that's
not
going
to
last
very
long.
It's
like
a
shot
in
the
arm.
It's
seeing
that
beautiful
sunset,
you
know,
or
the
the
perfect
day.
We've
all
we've
all
had
those
spiritual
awakening
is
in
awakening.
Our
spirit
has
been
asleep.
Our
ego
has
been
running
the
show
and
our
spirit
has
been
asleep.
So
once
you
get
through
with
your
amends,
you've
done
some
work
with
your,
your
learning
how
to
operate
in
step
10.
And
as
we
move
through
the
day
and
you're
doing
your
disciplines,
apparent
prayer
and
meditation
morning,
eve
and
evening,
you've
got
an
awakened
spirit.
You've
got
a
new
perspective,
a
new
outlook
on
life.
You
see
things
differently,
you
operate
differently,
your
relationships
are
different,
you
react
differently,
all
situations
OK.
You've
had
a
spiritual
awakening
as
the
result
of
the
12
steps.
If
you
haven't
done
the
12
steps,
you
can't
carry
the
message
to
another
alcoholic
because
it
says
having
had
the
spiritual
awakening
as
the
result
of
the
12
steps,
we
tried
to
carry
this
message
to
other
Alcoholics.
What
message?
What
kind
of
a
message
are
you
bringing
if
you
haven't
gotten
through
the
12
steps?
I
say,
I
say
it
like
this.
You
can
carry
the
alcoholic
to
the
message
or
you
can
carry
the
message
to
the
alcoholic.
If
you
haven't
had
a
spiritual
awakening,
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't
do
still
do
12
step
work,
but
really
all
you
can
do
is
encourage
somebody
to
not
drink.
It's
all
you
can
really
do.
If
you
haven't
had
a
spiritual
waking,
you're
just
encouraging
somebody
to
not
drink.
If
you've
had
a
spiritual
awakening,
you
can
carry
the
message
of
that
spiritual
awakening
to
somebody
and
show
them
how
to
get
free.
There's
a
big
difference
between
encouraging
somebody
not
to
drink
and
offering
them
the
freedom
from
the
bondage
of
alcoholism.
It's
like
the
difference
between
night
and
day.
All
right,
So
if
you
owe
it
to
yourself,
if
you
are
sponsoring
and
you
still
have
some
amends
or
you
haven't
done
this
step
or
you
haven't
done
that,
subdue
them,
do
them.
You
owe
it
to
the
people
that
you
sponsor.
If
you
don't,
if
you
haven't
sponsored
anybody
and
you're
not
going
through
the
steps,
at
least
wait,
you
know,
until
you're,
you
know,
halfway
through
your
amends
and
you've
got
you've
got
something
to
share,
OK.
Because
this
is
not
about
encouraging
people
to
not
drink.
We
already
know
that
doesn't
work.
Did,
did,
did
frothy
emotional
appeal
ever
work
for
you?
You
know,
Will
you
please
not
drink?
I
promise,
I
promise.
I'm
not
drinking
again.
You're
drunk
in
two
days.
Just
does
encouragement
ever
really
work
to
solve
the
problem?
You
know,
I'm
not
saying
it's
bad
to
not
encourage
people.
We
do
it
in
the
fellowship
all
the
time.
Keep
coming
back,
you
know,
keep,
just
keep
coming.
I'll
see
you
tomorrow
night
over
at
the
other
meeting,
you
know,
oh,
there's
a
good
meeting
on
Thursday.
I
mean,
we
encourage
people,
we
encourage
people
to
keep
coming
to
the
meetings.
Absolutely.
We
encourage
them
to
stay
in
the
a,
a
process
because
it's,
it's
in
the
fellowship
that
you
discover
the
program,
you
know,
you
discover
the
program
of
recovery
usually
in
the
fellowship.
So
it's
a
good
idea
to
keep
people
in
the
fellowship,
but
we
all
know
that
that's
not
that
does
not
solve
the
problem
over
the
long
haul.
So
as
a
sponsor,
you've
gone
through
the
steps
and
you're
now
trying
to
carry
that
message.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
I've
met
this
weekend
that
are
right
there.
They're
on
fire.
They've
had
the
spiritual
awakening.
You
know,
you
know,
you
can
hear
God
talking
through
them.
You
know,
they're
enthusiastic.
You
know,
there
seems
like
the
problems
in
their
lives
are
almost
meaningless.
They're
they're
about
the
job
of
working
with
other
Alcoholics.
And
that's
like
the
most
important
thing
in
their
life.
You
get
to
that
point
and
then
you're
an
adequate
sponsor.
There's
a
I
don't
have
this
memorized,
but
there's
something
that
Bill
wrote.
I
don't
even
remember
where
it
was,
but
it
says
the
primary
obligation
of
a
sponsor
is
the
adequate
presentation
of
the
12
steps
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
I'm,
I'm
getting
it
wrong,
but
that's
basically
what
Bill
said.
So
as
a
sponsor,
your
main
job
is
an
adequate
presentation
of
the
12
steps
to
your
prospect.
And
to
really
do
that,
you
need
the
experience
of
it.
Remember,
this
isn't
an
intellectual
process.
You
don't
read
the
steps
and
okay,
I
got
it.
You
experience
the
steps.
You
you
take
the
spiritual
exercises
of
the
steps
and
you
have
an
experience,
and
then
you
can
carry
the
message
of
that
experience
to
somebody
else.
And
sometimes
an
experience
is
a
difficult
thing
to
convey.
Sometimes,
you
know,
I'm
trying
to
talk
to
a
newcomer
and
I'm
trying
to
describe
a
spiritual
awakening
to
them.
And
they're
like,
it
gets
better.
You
know,
sometimes
it's
the
best
I
can
say.
Or
you
won't
feel
bad
anymore.
Yeah.
You
know,
it's
hard
to
just,
it's
hard
to
describe
the
spiritual
aching
because
it's
an
experience.
But
that's
the
treatment
for
alcoholism.
The
spiritual
experience
is
the
treatment
for
alcoholism.
If
you
came
to
a
A
and
you
drank
and
you
came
to
A
and
you
drank
and
you
go
back
out,
don't
tell
people
A
A
didn't
work
until
you
get
through
those
and
start
sponsoring
other
people
or
taking
other
people
through
the
steps.
You
haven't
participated
in
AA.
Alcoholics
Anonymous
is
a
12
step
fellowship
and
today
you
can
still
find
people
in
the
fellowship.
Well,
have
you
gone
through
the
steps?
Well,
not
formally.
You're
in
a
12
step
fellowship.
What
do
you
what?
What
are
you
doing?
You
know
what
I
mean?
I
mean,
I
heard
it
described
like
this.
How
about
a
whole
bunch
of
people
who
go
to
an
airport
and
sit
in
the
terminal
and
talk
about
flying
once
a
week?
Yeah,
You
know,
it
really
would
be
something
to
go
to
Albuquerque,
you
know,
and
can't
wait
to
get
to
Tuscaloosa.
And
they
never
get
on
a
plane,
but
there's
people
going
right
past
them
down
a
gangplanking.
They're
getting
on
the
plane.
They're
flying.
Who
would
you
rather
be
hanging
out
with?
You
know,
if
you
really
wanted
to
know
about
flying,
get
on
the
plane.
You
know
what
I
mean?
Don't
sit
in
the
terminal
talking
about
what
it
would
be
like
to
fly.
Don't
sit
in
a
a
meetings
talking
about
what
it
would
like
be
like
to
be
recovered.
Get
on
the
plane.
You
know
what
I
mean?
Get
involved
with
the
book.
Get
involved
with
somebody
who
has
experience
in
this.
The
absolute
brightest
spot
in
my
life
today
are
the
guys
that
I
sponsor.
I
got
a
crew.
Let
me
tell
you,
you
know,
I
don't,
I
don't
sponsor
as
many
people
as
I
used
to.
But
here's
here's
basically
how
I
do
it.
They
say,
Chris,
would
you
sponsor
me?
You
know,
I
need
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
what's
going
on
before
I
say
yes.
I
don't
just
say
yes.
And
I
didn't
know.
Why
are
you
asking
me?
Where
are
you
in
the
recovery
process?
You
know,
do
you
know
what
an
alcoholic
is?
I
mean,
I've
got
some
questions
for
you.
But
all
right,
let's
say
I've
qualified
somebody
and
they're
a
prospect,
OK,
I'll
get
them
over
to
my
house
and
I'll
make
sure
they're
clear
on
the
first
step.
I'll
make
sure
they're
clear
on
the
second
step.
I'll
make
sure
they
understand
what
the
third
step
decision
is.
And
I'll
get
them
writing
inventory.
And
it's
my
job
to
get
them
through
the
process.
It's
not
my
job
to
be
the
drama
coach.
When
I
was
first
coming
around,
I
got
a
lot
of
sponsors.
I
learned
right
away
how
to
how
to
give
good
share,
you
know,
I
mean,
how
to
give
good
share
in
meetings.
Oh,
you
know,
and
just
share,
share,
share,
share,
talk,
share,
share.
And,
you
know,
I
was
doing
that.
So
people
were
coming
up
to
me
and
saying,
would
you
sponsor
me?
You
sound
really
good.
And
I
was,
you
know,
I
wasn't,
my
life
was
completely
unmanageable
still.
But
I
started
sponsoring
and
they'd
call
me
and
it
would
be
like,
you
know,
an
hour
on
the
phone.
And
what
it
what
it
was,
was
it
was
recycling
the
dysfunction
in
their
life,
you
know,
recycling
the
drama
and
the
dysfunction
and
just
giving
me
an
update
on
it
every
day.
OK.
You
know,
it
was
it
was
just
that,
you
know,
I,
I
can't
do
that.
I
can't
do
that.
And
I'll
explain
to
them.
I'll
say
it
like
this.
Would
would
you
rather
I
spend
the
hour
on
the
phone
with
you,
you
know,
regurgitating
all
these
problems,
or
would
you
rather
spend
the
hour
on
a
solution
that'll
get
you
past
those
problems?
I
want
to
get
you
past
even
needing
a
drama
coach,
you
know,
and
I
will
spend
the
time
getting
somebody
through
the
steps.
Now
there's
an
evolution
sponsorship.
Here's
what
the
big
book
says.
It
the
big
book
says
there's
a
there's
a
prospect
that's
somebody
who
needs
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
needs
the
12
steps.
They're
dying
of
alcoholism.
Once
you've
landed
them
there,
now
your
protege,
OK,
so
the
protege
is
the
guy
going
through
the
steps.
You
get
them
to
the
other
side
of
the
steps
and
then
you
know
what
they're
they're
your
friend.
Those
are
the
three
descriptives
in
the
book
Alcoholics
Anonymous
about
the
person
that
you
work
with.
So
I've
got
a
lot
of
friends
today.
Now,
does
everybody
make
it
through
the
steps?
I've
got
probably
a
higher
percentage
rate
than
most
because
people
know
if
they
ask
Chris,
you
know,
it's
gonna,
you
know,
you're
gonna
have
to
do
the
steps.
So
most
people
that
ask
me
at
least
know
that
much
about
me.
And
you
know,
they're
at
least
willing
at
that
point
in
time
to
go
through
the
steps.
So
I've
probably
got
a
75%
recovery
rate
for
the
people
that
ask
me
to
sponsor
them.
The
75%
of
them
are
out
there.
They're
a,
a
members
in
good
standing.
They're
working
with
other
people.
They've
gone
through
the
steps,
they've
got
service
commitments
and
they're
doing
their
and
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
but
there's
always
people
who,
you
know,
balk
they
so
they
lose
momentum.
One
of
the
things
that
you
don't
want
to
lose
when
you're
working
with
somebody
is
momentum.
I
believe
in
getting
somebody
through
the
steps
initially
fast,
OK,
fast.
Now,
why
is
because
you
lose
momentum.
If,
if,
if
you
take
too
much
time
between
steps
three
and
steps
four,
it
takes
you
six
months
to
write
inventory.
You
know,
if
you
take
a
whole
bunch
of
time
in
between
doing
your
A
step
card,
you'll
lose
all
kinds
of
momentum
and
you
just
can't
pick
it
back
up.
You're
stalled
out.
You
almost
have
to
go
back
to
square
one.
This
happens
a
lot.
But
if
you
have
somebody,
you're
concentrating
on
the
process
and
you're
encouraging
and
you're
moving
them
and
you're
motivating,
you
can
usually
do
this
pretty
quickly.
A
guy
came
over
from
from
Denmark
two
weeks
ago
to
visit
my
house.
He
was
in
a
very,
very
black
place,
very
black
place.
He'd
been
in
a
A
for
three
years.
You
know,
a
lot
of
things
weren't
going
his
way.
And
you
know,
I
really,
I
pictured
him.
I
pictured
him
as
somebody
who's
who's
likely
to
drink.
So
we
invited
him
over
to
our
house
and
in
in
three
days
he
has
a
men's
cards
and
he
was
ready
to
fly
back
to
Denmark.
He
stayed
a
little
bit
extra
time,
but
when
he
got
back
to
Denmark,
the
first
thing
he
did
was
he
started
knocking
out
the
immense.
He's
a
changed
man.
This
is,
this
is
in,
you
know,
with
maybe
16
hours
worth
of
work.
This
is
a
changed
man.
Absolutely
a
different
person,
you
wouldn't
even
recognize
it.
That's
the
power
of
this
process.
This
process,
this
process
is
unbelievable
when
you
really
get
down
and
get
involved
in
it.
Now,
where
do
you
find
people
to
take
through
the
steps?
You
find
them
where
you
can
find
the
most
sick
and
suffering
Alcoholics
in
the
world.
You
find
them
at
a
a
meetings.
OK,
there
are
so
many
people
who
are
still
sick
and
still
suffering
in
a
meeting
because
they
have
not
made
it
from
step
one
to
step
12
and
they're
still
churning
around
in
their
dysfunction.
They're
still
updating
you
on
the
drama
du
jour
that's
going
on
in
their
life
and
every
closed
minded
discussion
meeting
you
go
to,
you
know
what
I
mean?
That's
where
you
can
find
a
lot
of
them.
Get
somewhere,
get
some
rehab
commitments,
get
some
detox
commitments.
Get
involved
in
carrying
the
message
however
you
can
carry
it.
It's
important
for
your
own
sobriety
to
be
carrying
this
message.
I
have
never
seen,
I've
seen
thousands
of
people
in
a
I've
never,
ever
seen
somebody
who's
consistent
with
meetings,
has
gone
through
the
steps
with
a
sponsor
as
completely
as
they
could,
and
then
pays
a
lot
of
attention
to
10:00
and
11:00
and
goes
through
them
again
whenever
they
need
to.
And
who
is
sponsoring
other
people
and
working
with
other
people?
I've
never
seen
one
of
those
people.
People
drink.
Never.
Never
in
my
life
as
somebody
who's
consistent
with
that
process
ever
drank
around
me.
They've
always
fallen
short
somewhere.
They've
fallen
short
on
working
with
others.
Usually
they've
fallen
short
with
the
step
process
or
they've
fallen
short
with
meetings,
but
usually
it's
working
with
others.
So,
so
it's
important
you
know,
this
is
a
progressively
fatal
illness.
The
the
treatment
and
solution
for
this
illness
is
consistent
meetings,
going
through
those
steps
and
then
carrying
that
message
to
others.
Simple,
you
want
to
participate
in
that.
You
want
to
you
want
to
be
safe
and
protected
from
alcohol.
You
want
the
problem
to
be
removed.
You
want
your
quality
of
life
to
start
going
up
instead
of
down.
Pay
attention
to
this
stuff.
Pay
attention
to
this
stuff.
You
know,
it's
insane
what
goes
on
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
Like
if
you
were
suffering
from
pancreatic
cancer
and
a
doctor
comes
to
you
and
says,
well,
it's
hopeless.
You
know,
you've
only
got
a
short
time
to
live,
it's
progressively
fatal.
Everything's
going
to
get
worse.
Well,
doc,
is
there
nothing
I
can
do?
Well,
there's
this
new
step
procedure
out
in
Minneapolis
that
they've
seen
that
almost
everybody
that's
gotten
involved
with
it
has
recovered.
You
would
sell
your
house,
you'd
sell
your
family,
you'd
quit
your
job,
and
you'd
go
to
Minneapolis
for
that
process,
wouldn't
you?
You
would,
because
if
you
knew
of
something
that
would
save
your
life,
you
would
be
gone.
But
there's
a
lack
of
enthusiasm
in
unrecovered
Alcoholics
because
inherent
in
alcoholism
is
an
inability
to
really
see
how
much
trouble
you're
in,
you
know.
So
I'll
get
somebody
to
come
up
to
me.
I
mean,
his
world
is
on
fire.
He's
got
summonses
in
his
back
pocket,
you
know,
he's
thrown
out
in
the
street,
you
know.
Will
you
help
me?
Will
you
help
me?
And
I'll
say
something
like,
okay,
come
on
over
my
house
on
Thursday
night
and
we'll
start
working
on
step
one.
Oh,
Thursday.
That's
a
bad
night
for
me.
You
know,
I've
got
badminton
practice
on
Thursday.
OK,
OK,
how
about
next
week?
How
about
next
Monday?
Oh,
Mondays.
No
good
man.
I,
I
tour
with
the
Dead
this
year
and
I'm
going
to
be
on
tour
with
the
Dead
for
two
months
on
tour
that
you're
going
to
be
dead,
you
know,
and
they
just
can't
see
the
enormity
of
their
problem.
So
you
have
to
develop
a
method
of
trying
to
get
through
to
these
people,
trying
to
encourage
them,
trying
to
carry
the
message.
You
have
to
practice
this
to
get
good
at
it.
You
got
to
practice
the
12
step
to
get
good
at
it.
So
let's
all
do
our
jobs
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
You,
you
want
to
know
why?
Because
we're
going
to
be
safe
and
protected
is
going
to
get
great.
And
you
know,
there's
200
promises
in
the
book
that
will
come
true.
So
let's
let's
try
our
best
today
to
do
our
job
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
I
want
to
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
had
a
part
in
this.
It
was
really
a
blast
coming
out
here.
Dustin
Kelly,
everybody
that
I've
met,
it's,
it's,
it's
been
a
really
good
experience
for
me.
Get
involved
in
recovery.
That's
all
I
can
say.
Thanks.