The 4 Seasons Workshop at the 1st NM Indian AA Convention in Albuquerque, NM
My
name
is
Don
Coyas,
and
I'm
from
the
Mohican
Nation.
And
I'm
from
the
coyote
clan
on
my
father's
side
and
the
turtle
clan
on
my
mother's
side.
And
in
our
culture,
whenever
you
introduce
yourself,
that's
who
you're
supposed
to
say.
Always
tie
yourself
to
your
people.
But
my
name
is
Don
C.
I'm
an
alcoholic.
And
so
I'm
really,
really
honored
to
be
here
and
to
talk
about
some
of
things,
some
experiences
about
the...
about
the
steps.
And
maybe
I'll
tell
you
this
joke
I
heard
the
other
day
first.
I
was
told
up
in
South
Dakota
by
the
reservation
there,
there's
this
one
road
that
travels,
they
said,
right
along
the
border
on
a
reservation.
It's
just
white
land
on
one
side,
reservation
land
on
the
other
side.
And
they
say
there's
a
little
town
there,
and
when
the
cars
come
through
there,
they
have
to
slow
down
for
that
town.
So
when
a
car
slow
down
and
those
dogs
start
chasing
those
cars.
So
on
one
side
that
road,
Indian
dogs,
that's
where
they
stay.
And
the
other
side
I
rode
this
is
white
dogs.
And
so
when
his
cars
slow
down
like
that,
They
said,
uh,
those
Indian
dogs,
when
they
go
chase
that
car,
they
go,
you
know,
and
they
just
bark
like
that,
you
know,
and
the
car
goes
behind.
But
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
where
the
swight
dogs
are,
when
they
taste
that
car,
they
go,
bow
wow,
bow,
wow,
bow,
wow.
So
then
after
a
little
while,
they
were
chased
these
cars
and
these
Indian
dogs,
you
know,
these
other
dogs,
bawa,
bawa,
bawa,
bawa.
So
finally,
there's
white
dogs,
they
come
to
this
Indian
dogs,
and
they
said,
you
know,
what
are
you
Indian
dogs
doing?
They
say,
you
make
so
much
noise
and
stuff
now.
Indian
dogs,
they
said,
well,
that's
just
the
way
Indians
are.
When
we
do
something,
it's
all
out,
you
know.
That's
why
we
do
that.
So
there's
white
dogs,
they
said,
that's
not
how
you're
supposed
to
be.
He
said,
you're
supposed
to
go
bawa,
bawa,
bawa,
bau,
bau.
And
there's
Indian
dogs,
well,
I
don't
know.
So
the
white
dogs,
they
kept
talking,
finally,
Indian
dogs.
They
said,
well,
we'll
try
that.
So
they
went
back
to
that
place,
and
they
were
waiting
there
for
a
long
time,
and
priest
didn't
his
car
come
along.
And,
um...
slowed
down
like
that
so
all
they
went
behind
that
car
so
the
Indian
dogs
you
know
they
was
going
bow
wow
bow
wow
bow
wow
bow
wow
and
when
that
car
took
off
this
dog
Indian
dogs
they
stopped
and
they
looked
at
one
another
and
they
went
eh
yeah
so
we'll
do
that
with
bow
wow
bow
wow
way
Can't
you
see
those
dogs
doing
it?
Yeah.
When
you
look
at
the
12
steps,
I
think
right
now
is
a
very
strong
time
in
Indian
communities.
And
I
think
contrary
to
how
we
look
at
or
have
looked
at
things,
I
think
there's
a
great
healing
starting
to
occur
among
our
people.
And
in
1991...
We
met
with
some
elders
from
the
four
directions.
So
we
had
about
40
elders.
They
were
from
North
tribes,
East
tribes,
South
tribes,
West
tribes.
And
so
we
bought
these
elders
together,
and
what
we
asked
them
to
do
is
to
spend
some
time
with
us,
just
talking
to
us
about
things.
And
so
in
that
four-day
conference,
They
talked
to
us
about
the
earth
and
about
the
environment,
but
they
talked
to
us
about
communities,
about
being
Indian
men,
about
being
Indian
women,
things
like
that,
about
relationships.
They
talked
about
sex,
about
raising
children,
everything
for
four
days.
And
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
talk
to
us
about
the,
they
told
us
some
things
about
prophecies.
And
I
think
for
us,
the
prophecies
is
very
important.
They
have
been
told,
you
know,
stories
told
on
over
the
years.
And
there's
a
prophecy,
they
said
that
the
Indian
people,
they
said,
would
spend
a
long
time
in
a
real
cold
winter
time
of
life,
a
real
tough
time,
time
of
turmoil
and
confusion.
And
there's
a
prophecy,
it
said
that
when
the
sun
would
get
blocked
in
the
seventh
moon,
that
would
be
significant
that
the
wintertime
is
over.
That
period
of
time
would
be
over.
And
then
we
as
Indian
people,
we
had
entered
into
a
new
springtime,
a
new
time
for
us
as
people.
And
if
you
remember,
maybe
in
that
July
of
1991,
there
was
a
big
solar
eclipse.
So
we
had
just
accidentally
met
just
about
a
week
and
a
half
after
that
solar
eclipse.
So
we
didn't
know
these
things
until
they
told
us
that.
So
they
said
that
that
eclipse
was
very
significant
in
that
that
meant
we
are
now
entering
a
new
time.
There's
a
new
time
for
us
as
Indian
people.
Then
they
went
on
the
say,
they
said
for
that
next
12
moons,
they
said
that
a
great
stirring,
the
creator
was
going
to
cause
a
great
stirring
to
take
place.
He
was
going
to
stir
it
up.
In
that
time
of
that
great
stirring,
he
said
the
elders,
they
said
that...
There
is
going
to
be
gifts
is
going
to
be
given
out
to
the
people
that
we
have
not
used
before.
And
they
said
that
during
this
time
of
the
stirring,
there
was
going
to
be
a
selection
of
people
to
help
heal
all
the
communities,
all
nations.
So
they
said
that
for
the
next
12
moons,
they
said
that
these
people
selected,
they
would
go
through
a
real
mixed
up
time
for
themselves.
And...
like
a
real
evaluation
time
kind
of,
that
they
would,
even
that
they
would
think
that
they
were
crazy.
Like
they
might
have
their
jobs
and
be
in
place,
doing,
you
know,
have
everything
in
order,
but
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
know
how
you've
got
your
rug
of
life
and
you
have
your
careers
and
cars
and
everything,
you
know.
They
said
it
would
be
like
for
certain
people
that
he
would
come
and
something
would
grab
the
edge
of
that
rug
and
it
was
just
kind
of
upset
everything.
So
you'd
think...
You
were
crazy,
really
mixed
up.
And
they
said
that
those
people
selected
that
they
would
go
through
a
real
personal
time.
Like
they
would
have
to
go
through
a
healing
time,
that
they
would
need
to...
Even
their
secrets
couldn't
stay
secrets
no
more.
They
said
they
would
all
surface.
They
would
come
up.
They
would
arise.
And
then
they
said
that
these
healers,
they
would...
they
would
know
something
was
going
on.
You
know
how
sometimes
you
have
like
this
urge?
You
just
kind
of
know.
You
just
kind
of
know
you
got
to
go
do
something.
Like
in
our
tribe,
there's
these
teachings
called
Teachings
of
the
Warrior.
And
what
it
says
is
that
everybody
is
a
warrior.
That's
not
like
a
battle
name
on
television.
That's
a
spiritual
being
name.
And
in
that
teachings,
it
says
that
every
warrior
has
a
song
written
in
their
heart,
and
that
song
must
be
sung.
before
you
die
or
your
soul
forever
remains
restless.
And
that
sometimes
we
have
to
go
through
life
school
like
that.
That
doesn't
mean
just
like
high
school
or
university.
It
means
life
school.
And
many
of
us
know
about
that
darn
life
school.
Pretty
tough
roads.
And
at
the
time
we
think
that
that's
all
bad.
But
maybe
we
are
just
have
to
do
that
because
now
we
got
other
things
to
do.
We
need
that
experience.
Now
we
have
to
go
back
and
help
the
people,
but
we'd
never
be
believable
unless
we
went
and
tested
that
all
those
things
that
we
needed
to
learn.
And
so
they
said
that
what
would
happen
is
that
a
great
healing
would
start
to
occur
among
our
people.
And
they
said
a
long
time
ago,
they
said
the
creator
came
to
a
place
called
Turtle
Island.
And
he
said
to
the
people,
I'm
going
to
divide
you
into
four
directions,
he
said,
to
a
red
direction,
yellow
direction,
black
direction,
and
a
white
direction.
And
he
said
to
each
of
those
directions,
I'm
going
to
give
you
each
a
certain
accountability.
There's
some
things
you
have
to
know.
And
so
to
the
red
direction,
he
said,
to
you,
you
are
the
keepers
of
the
earth.
That
you
have
to
go
through
the
cycles
of
time
and
learn
all
the
things
about
the
earth,
about
land
and
about
plants.
and
about
how
everything
is
connected.
And
you're
going
to
be
given
that
knowledge
through
those
times
because
a
day
will
come
when
you
have
to
come
and
tell
about
people,
those
things
that
you
know.
Into
the
yellow
direction
or
the
yellow
race,
he
made
them
to
be
keepers
of
the
air.
So
they
were
to
learn
about
breathing
and
about
breath
and
all
of
that.
And
to
the
black
direction,
he
gave
them
the
responsibility
to
be
keepers
of
the
sacred
water.
They
were
to
learn
all
those
things
about
the
water.
Into
the
wide
direction
he
said,
you
are
the
keepers
of
the
fire.
So
sometimes
in
that
direction
we
think
about
like
the
light
bulb.
You
know,
those
guys,
they
know,
everything
they
do
is
got
like
the
car,
the
combustion
engines,
got
like
that
firepower
in
the
middle.
And
they
said
that
what
the
creator
said
was
that
the
day
would
come,
call
it
the
coming
together
time,
that
when
the
springtime
would
arrive,
then
we
would
all
need
to
come
together,
sit
in
a
circle.
and
that
we
would
need
to
start
share
this
knowledge
and
this
wisdom
that
each
one
has
because
everybody
is
going
to
know
something
about
this
this
healing
part
everybody
has
a
part
in
that
and
uh
we
white
bison
we
work
in
a
lot
of
different
native
communities
around
the
country
and
we
are
starting
to
see
wherever
we
go
we
are
seeing
that
the
healing
is
starting
to
occur
among
our
people
there's
even
people
coming
home
um
by
uh
You
know
that
they
get
discontent
where
they
are
and
they
come
in
home
to
help
and
make
a
difference.
We're
seeing
it
all
over
the
place
that
these
circles
are
starting
together.
So
I
just
thought
I
would
just
share
a
little
bit
about
that
because
I
think
that
when
they
have
like
a
first
conference,
Red
Road
conference,
that's
very,
very
significant
because
that's
a
gathering
of
these
circles
is
what's
going
to
go.
and
that
we
don't
need
to
be
so
concerned
about
numbers,
but
who
is
supposed
to
be
here
is
exactly
who
is
supposed
to
be
here.
And
that
this
is
good.
Get
it
going,
get
a
seed
going,
do
it
again,
do
it
again,
and
make
a
place
for
the
native
people
to
come.
So
is
there
any
questions
on
these
prophecies?
But
it's
a
very
good
time
for
us
in
terms
of
these
prophecies.
Also,
then
what
we'd
like
to
talk
about
is
a
little
bit
about
the
steps.
When
I
come
into
AA,
my
sobriety
birthday
is
August
10th,
1978.
And
I
had
a
hard
time
coming
into
AA
at
first.
It
didn't
make
no
sense
to
me,
but
I
kept
coming
back
and
going
drinking
again.
And
coming
back
and
going
drinking
again.
And...
Finally,
I
guess
I
drank
what
I
was
supposed
to
drink,
you
know.
And
I
guess
it's
because
of
alcohol,
I
kept
coming
back.
It
wasn't
for
anything
else.
But
on
my
journey
to
get
here,
I
lost,
like
some
others,
everything.
I
lost
family,
respect.
All
of
those
things
went.
But
it
always
had
a
hard
time,
you
know,
even
like
with
a
big
book.
I
had
to,
they
say
the
instructions
are
in
that
book
and
I
would
look
for
this
instructions
and
I
couldn't
ever,
you
know,
ever
see
them.
I
couldn't
figure
out,
you
know,
what
they
were
talking
about.
So
I
managed
to
get
a
sponsor
and
that
sponsor
help
a
lot.
And
so
as
I
got
sober
for
a
couple
years
and
I
happened
to,
um,
Even
though
I
was
sober
for
a
couple
years,
I
always
felt
something
was
missing.
There
was
just
something
not
right.
But
then
I
was
kind
of
used
to
that
anyway,
so
it
wasn't
like
it
was
a
surprise.
So
then
as
things
progressed,
I
happened
to
run
into
one
of
our
elders
who
also
is
in
recovery.
And
it
was
then
he
said...
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
culture.
He
says,
you
never
know
who
you
are
unless
you
go
back
to
that
culture.
Because
I
had
left
it,
even
though
I
was
raised
by
my
grandfather
and
stuff.
And
it
was
done
in
a
good
way.
So
then
I
went
back
there
and
started
to
look
at
the
culture.
Then
I
started
to
see
that
the
program
in
the
steps,
the
culture
in
the
program,
it
was
kind
of
the
same
thing,
but
just
said
different
ways.
And
I'll
just
make
this
remark
because,
and
maybe
someday
I'll
change
my
mind,
but,
you
know,
I'll
just
say
kind
of
what
I
see
right
now,
and
not
everybody
agrees
with
this,
but
that's
okay
too.
But
when
I
look
at
myself
as
an
Indian
person
in
recovery
and
then
talking
to
some
other
people,
What
I
found
out
was,
and
I'm
saying
this
with
the
highest
respect
that
I
can
say,
I
always
respect
the
AA.
It's
the
best
program
for
the
alcoholics
that's
on
the
whole
earth.
But
one
of
the
things,
I
think
there's
a
thing
in
a
big
book
it
talks
about
that
sometimes
maybe
the
creator
will
reveal
more
when
we're
ready.
So
one
thing
I
like
about
that
big
book,
it
doesn't
say
you
have
to
do
nothing.
I
guess
that's
why
it
was
attractive
to
me,
because
I
didn't
like
have
to,
but
it
suggested
steps.
And
it's
got
a
real
good
way
of
not
saying
certain
things,
you
know,
like
at
first.
But
in
a
way,
what
I
found
out
was
when
you
look
at
the
design
of
the,
how
the
program
got
designed
and
everything,
It
was
kind
of
designed
by
like
white
class,
white
middle
class
males.
And
I'm
saying
this
with
respect,
I
want
to
say
that,
but
like
when
I
come
to
meetings
or
they
say
work
these
steps,
in
my
mind
wasn't
the
things
I
couldn't
hook
into
what
they
were
saying
a
lot
of
times,
you
know,
about
Titanic's
and
all
this
other
stuff.
I
had
a
hard
time
looking
at
that.
And
so
what
I
started
to
see
was
that
when
you
add
some
of
the
culture
to
it,
then
all
of
a
sudden
it
would
start
to
make
more
sense
to
me.
So
it's
the
same
thing
about
looking
at
it
kind
of
a
different
way.
I
think
sometimes
I
see
women
struggle
because
a
lot
of
the
steps
is
written
like
about
power
and
ego
and,
you
know,
really
strong
control
things.
And
like
where
I
was
raised,
I
wasn't
raised
to
think
like
a
lot
of
that
way.
So
when
I
was
looking
at
unmanageability
and
stuff,
You
know,
I
couldn't
quite
grasp
that.
So
what
we
want
to
share
today
is
maybe
just
a
combination
of
all
of
that
stuff,
my
experiences
with
that,
and
maybe
looking
at
it
from
an
Indian
way,
to
look
at
it
that
way.
So
one
of
the
things
I
found
is
when
we
look
at
the
steps,
in
the,
kind
of
how
Indian
people
look
at
things
is
in
a
circle.
We
know
that
the
Creator
made
a
way.
And
everything,
they
say,
travels
in
a
circle.
The
earth
is
round,
the
sun
goes
around,
the
moon
goes
around.
You
have
seasons,
spring,
summer,
fall,
winter.
You
have
cycle
of
life,
baby,
youth,
adult,
elder.
Everything
goes
in
a
circle.
So
when
we
started
to
look
at
the
steps
in
using
that
circle,
what
we
found
out,
that
you
could
do
the
same
thing,
but
do
it
just
in
a
different
way.
So
it's
just
like
the
circle,
it's
sort
of
like
looking
at
the
earth.
The
sun
rises
in
the
east,
it
sets
in
the
west.
Then
there's
that
when
the
sun
is
up
during
the
day,
that's
the
growing
time.
And
then
in
the
north
is
like
the
winter,
where
old
man
winter
in
the
wisdom
is.
So
as
we
started
to
look
at
this,
we
found
out
if
we
put
steps
one,
two,
and
three
in
the
east,
that
is
like
the
direction
of
the
sun.
Then
those
steps,
that
direction
when
you
face
that,
that
new
light,
you
know,
new
life.
Well,
to
that
direction,
that
is
about
finding
God
or
the
Creator
or
Great
Spirit,
higher
power.
So
that's
steps
one,
two,
and
three
is
in
the
East,
and
that's
about
finding
a
relationship
with
the
Creator.
Then
steps
four,
five,
and
six,
that's
in
the
South.
And
that's
a
direction
about
finding
relationship
with
yourself.
So
then
even
like
we
found,
as
we
share
a
little
bit
later,
when
we
work
the
steps,
when
you
do
that
work
on
them,
you
face
that
way.
You
work
steps
one,
two
and
three.
Whenever
you
set
at
the
table
or
wherever
you
are,
you
face
in
the
east.
Because
there's
powers
that
we
all
know
come
from
that.
Then
when
you
turn
to
the
south,
that
steps
four,
five,
and
six,
that's
about
finding
yourself,
a
relationship
with
you,
that
inventory
steps.
And
then
step
seven,
eight,
nine,
that
is
in
the
west.
That's
that
forgiveness
direction,
like
the
sun
going
over
the
horizon,
the
letting
go.
that
direction
and
that
is
about
finding
a
relationship
with
others
that's
where
you
establish
a
relationship
with
your
brothers
and
sisters
and
then
steps
10,
11
and
12
that's
in
the
north
and
that's
that
direction
of
the
elders
Like
that's
where
the
wisdom
in
that
direction
comes.
So
we
started
to
see
that
when
we
looked
at
that
going
in
a
circle,
then
you'd
see
it's
not
like
a
straight
line,
you
know,
where
you
go
down
a
page
and
then
you
say,
well,
what?
And
I
think
the
other
thing
that
used
to
baffle
me
at
first,
when
I
got
a
sponsor
and
I
got
in
the
steps,
you
know,
it
was,
it's
like
they
just
say,
the
steps
are
in
order.
See,
do
step
one.
Well,
what
is
these
other
things?
Don't
worry
about
that.
Do
step
one.
You
don't
know.
You
know,
go
to
meetings,
do
all
that,
and
they'd
listen.
And
so
I
always
look
forward
to
the
steps
with
fear.
I
just,
inside
of
myself
was
a
resistance.
It's
like,
you
know,
you
knew
what
daughter.
He
says,
turn
your
life
over
to
this
care.
You
know,
you
see,
I
don't
understand
that.
Why
would
I
want
to
do
that?
That
doesn't
see.
So
it
was
always
like
a
resistance.
Right.
And
it
always
baffled
me
that
it
seemed
tone
was
to
work
the
steps
through
fear.
And
a
lot
of
that
was
just
my
own
tapes,
you
know,
like
when
I
was
in
the
boarding
schools
or
the
mission
schools,
you
know.
It
was
always
like
they
always
painted
a
picture
of,
like
they
would
teach
you
about
God
or
whatever.
So
it
seemed
like
one
of
the
ways
they'd
always
do,
like
some
of
the
teachers
or
pro-girl
schools
or
whatever,
they'd,
it
was
always
like
they'd
paint
a
picture
of
hell.
you
know
there's
that's
how
they
motivated
you
to
seek
God
so
they
say
you
ever
been
burnt
by
a
match
or
fire
you
go
yeah
I
have
to
your
whole
body
is
gonna
burn
all
over
just
blisters
you're
gonna
be
away
forever
then
they
would
say
things
like
God
you
ever
been
thirsty
out
in
the
woods
all
day,
no
water.
I
say,
yeah,
ain't
no
water
in
hell.
Your
tongue
gets
bligg
and
your
body
is
going
to
be
all
blistered.
Now
you
want
to
see
God.
And
you
say,
well,
yeah,
I
do.
So
it
was
like
you
always
had
like
the
flames
of
hell
licking
your
ass
to
see
God.
And
so
there's
always
this
resistance,
you
know,
but
kind
of
the
way,
you
know,
that
I
grew
up.
It
wasn't
a
positive
experience.
I
didn't
see
God
because
it
was...
good
or
like
the
culture,
it
was
always
the
flames
of
hell,
see,
kind
of
licking
your
way
there.
And
so
there's
also
resistance,
you
know,
to
these
steps.
Even
though
when
I
come
in,
I
was
ready,
you
see,
to
do
them.
But
then
as
I
saw
later
on,
there's
other
ways
to
look
at
things.
And
the
elders,
they
tell
us,
they
say,
there's
always
two
points
of
view
of
the
world.
They
say
one
point
of
view
of
the
world
is
a
point
of
view
of
the
mouse.
The
mouse,
you
see.
So
the
mouse
gets
up
in
the
morning
and
all
the
grass
is
bigger
than
the
mouse.
Every
rock
is
big,
every
galley
is,
everything
is
an
obstacle.
So
that
mouse
goes
along,
see.
When
I
got
into
soft,
oh
look
at
this,
the
grass
is
tall,
look
there,
the
rock,
all
this
big
valley,
ah,
it's
just
not
going
to
make
it,
it's
a
real
bad
day.
See,
well,
at
the
same
time,
there's
a
point
of
view
of
the
eagle.
So
the
eagle
is
flying
up,
they're
looking
at
the
same
thing
the
mouse
is
looking
at.
And
it's
looking
down
at
that
mouse,
it
says,
mouse,
why
are
you
so
worried?
Lighten
up,
mouse,
you
know?
Don't
take
it
so
serious.
So
there's
also
two
points
of
view,
you
see,
for
everything.
And
so
we
want
to
kind
of
spend
some
time
looking
at
things
from
two
points
of
view.
Now
looking
at
also
about
the
steps
is
we
found
this
in
what
always
makes
me
comfortable.
Indians
always
learn
the
best
when
they
know
the
hole
first.
Show
that
big
picture
first
and
then
you
can
go
work
the
parts.
But
if
you
just
show
a
little
part
and
you
can't
see
the
hole,
then
you
tend
to
want
to
resist.
So
I
used
to
wonder,
I
say,
why
is
there
always,
you
hear
people
say,
I'm
stuck
in
this
step,
I'm
afraid
this
one,
and
I
can't
do
this,
and
inventory
is
negative,
and
this
is,
you
know,
it
was
always
like
a,
and
I
says,
it
seems
strange
to
me
that
the
creator
would
give
a
program
to
recovering
people
and
then
make
it
a
fear
program.
I
said,
it
doesn't
make
sense
that
he
would
do
that.
See
that
maybe
there's
another
point
of
view.
Maybe
that's
a
point
of
view
of
the
mouse.
Maybe
there's
another
point
of
view
of
how
to
look
at
this.
Is
it
possible
to
come
in
and
work
the
steps
and
look
forward
to
them,
that
you
anticipate
doing
the
next
one
instead
of
looking
at
the
resistance,
you
know,
of
it
all?
So
as
we
continue
to
go
back
to
the
culture
and
learn
some
of
those
things,
and
I
found
that
there
was
other
ways
to
look
at,
at
the
steps
in
their
recovery,
and
to
look
at
it
from
a
native
point
of
view,
just
started
to
really
make
sense
to
me.
See,
I'm
not
afraid
of
the
steps
at
all
today.
Now,
our
places
in
there,
you
know,
where
things
go
on,
but
I
always
look
forward
to
making
that
change.
So
what
we'll
be
using
a
lot
this
morning
is
we
will
be
talking
about
these
things,
steps
from
a
medicine
wheel
point
of
view,
from
the
circle
point
of
view.
So
pretty
much
it's
like
Sam
read,
we'll
be
looking
at
some
of
the
prophecies,
some
of
the
medicine
wheels,
the
cycle
of
life.
And
in
doing
that
with
an
intent,
sharing
some
information
that
will
allow
one
to
look
forward
to
working
those
steps.
And
then
we'll
look
at
an
overview
of
the
steps,
and
then
we'll
spend
primarily
the
late
morning
and
the
afternoon
doing
a
lot
of
workshops.
Also
for
those,
we'll
try
to
take
breaks
by
every
45
minutes.
I
believe
in
taking
frequent
breaks,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
set
in
here.
And
if
there
are
any
questions
as
we
go
through
this,
please
feel
free.
to
just
raise
your
hand
or
whatever
is
your
customary
way
of
signifying
that
you
have
a
question
to
ask.
Derek,
could
you
hand
out
those
workbooks
too?
Also,
we'll
give
you
a
workbook,
and
then
we'll
explain
that,
kind
of
go
through
that
workbook,
so
we're
kind
of
familiar
with
that
also.
But
in
looking
at
these
steps,
What
I
want
to
kind
of
do
is
tell
you
a
story
about
something
that
happened
to
me
when
I
was
four
years
sober.
Because
it's
very
important,
I
think,
for
us
to
locate.
When
I
come
into
recovery,
I
had
lost
everything
and
was
in
debt
and
lots
of
things
like
that.
And
I
managed
to
get
sober,
going
to
AA
and
getting
in
a
sponsor
eventually.
So
over
the
next,
as
I
come
in,
the
first
year
was
craziest
hack,
and
then
the
second
year,
and
then
by,
anyway,
by
time,
you
know,
three
years
or
so,
it
was
sort
of
like
I
did
have
a
rug
again,
and
there
was
some
sanity
on
that
rug.
I
had
a
res
car
with
some
good
tires,
and
I
wasn't
moving
every
month
or
playing
those
games
and
paying
my
bills,
getting
responsible
again.
And
so
it
was
going
pretty
good
by
the
time
I
was
getting
three,
three
and
a
half
years
sober.
But
then
what
happened
was
I
had
about,
I
must
have
been
about
four
years
sober.
And
all
of
a
sudden,
it
was
just
like
somebody
took
that
rug
again
and
just
upset
it
all.
I
was
in
trouble
at
work.
I
was
in
trouble
in
my
relationship.
I
was
just,
I
hated
going
to
meetings.
I
set
meetings
and
they
just
stunk,
you
know,
and
my
sponsor
got
stupid
and
this
book,
I
had
read
every
damn
thing
in
it
and
I
didn't
want
to
see
this
crop
again.
I
didn't
want
to
pray,
I
couldn't
work
steps,
I
didn't
want
to
work
them,
and
I
wanted
to
run.
See,
I
was
having
a
hard
time
and
I
really
didn't
want
to
go
to
meetings.
So
after
a
while,
I
thought,
you
know,
I
better
go
see
somebody.
So
I
went
to
see
this
one
elder
in
Denver
that
I
used
to
go
see
a
lot.
And
so
always
by
the
time
I
see
him,
then
I'm
just
really
scattered
and
just
rambling
all
over
the
place.
So
when
I
go
see
him,
he
sits
in
a
backyard,
he'll
grab
a
chunk
of
wood
and
he'll
whittle
with
his
knife,
you
know,
waiting
for
me
to
get
done.
Just
shakes
his
head
like
that.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And
so
I
got
through
all
what
I
had
to
get
through.
And
so
then
finally
he
said
to
me,
he
said,
well,
how
long
are
you
sober
now?
Exactly.
I
said,
well,
four
years,
and
I
think
it
was
like
a
week.
And
he
says,
well,
he
says,
you're
right
on
schedule.
And
you
know
how
you
hate
to
hear
that
when
they
talk,
they
say
things
like
you're
right
on
schedule?
But
he
told
me,
he
said,
I
want
to
tell
you
something
about
that
not
a
lot
of
people
know.
And
it's
to
do
with
growing.
and
do
with
cycles.
See,
everything
he
says
goes
in
cycles.
And
we
all
participate
in
a
cycle.
Like
geese,
they
know
exactly
when
they're
supposed
to
go
this
way,
how
long
they're
supposed
to
stay,
and
then
they
know
exactly
when
to
go
back.
And
everything
in
the
whole
earth
works
by
a
system
of
order,
that
there
is
order
to
everything.
But
he
says,
very
often
we
as
a
human
being,
we
think
we're
the
exception.
We
always
think
we're
the
exception.
The
everything
else
participates,
but
not
us.
But
he
said,
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
seasons
of
growing.
He
says,
because
this
will
really
help
you
in
the
recovery.
And
he
said
that
every
human
being,
we
participate
in
a
four-year
growth
cycle.
that
we
have
one
year
of
spring,
one
year
a
summer,
one
year
of
fall,
and
then
one
year
of
winter.
There
is
a
cycle
that
we
grow
through.
So
when
we
grow,
it's
like
you
don't
grow
like
there's
a
there
down
there.
When
we
go,
we
travel
like
this.
Spring,
summer,
fall,
winter.
We
travel
in
a
circle.
And
every
four
years
it
takes
to
make
that
circle.
So
I'll
just
talk
about
these
seasons
because
I
think
it's
really
helps.
Because
they've
ever
noticed
a
lot
of
times
how
people
seem
to
get
in
troubles,
what
years?
4
to
5,
7
to
8,
11
to
12,
15
to
16.
4
year
cycles,
you
see
a
lot
of
people
will
slip.
4
to
5,
7
to
8,
a
lot
of
relationship
troubles
or
divorces
and
stuff
take
place.
in
sobriety
cycles.
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
these
seasons,
but
they're
not
to
do
with
the
seasons
outside.
They're
talking
about
seasons,
inside
seasons.
So
we'll
look
at
some
information
about
these,
and
see
if
these
seasons
make
sense,
these
seasons
of
recovery.
And
then
I'll
also
talk
to
them
about
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
like
groups,
because
we
have
our
groups
or
organizations,
whatever.
So
I
just
kind
of
talk
about
both
of
those,
but
mostly
I'm
going
to
talk
about
personal
growing.
So
in
the
spring
season,
in
our
organization,
you'll
see
these
type
of
characteristics.
Like
when
something
first
starts
out,
even
like
how
this
conference
started,
first
one.
See?
A
lot
of
hope,
a
lot
of
energy,
a
lot
of
excitement.
I
wonder
who
is
coming.
I
wonder
if
they
are
going
to
show
up.
So
you
have
all
these
questions
when
you
first
start.
So
at
individual
level,
you
know
how
like
an
oak
tree,
see
the
oak
tree
standing
out
in
the
forest
like
that,
nothing's
going
on?
Then
unknown
to
an
oak
tree
that
sap,
it
starts
to
work
its
way
up
into
a
kind
of
a
form
of
life.
It
starts
to
work
its
way
up
inside
of
that
tree.
But
at
first,
the
oak
tree
don't
know
it.
So
a
lot
of
times
we
come
into
recovery
at
first,
you'll
notice
other
people
will
notice
things
before
we
notice
them
ourselves.
So
it's
like
that
oak
tree
is
standing
out
there
or
our
friends
will
come
up
and
they'll
say,
gee,
you
look
different.
What'd
you
do?
Bick
your
hair
different
or
not?
Something.
Nah,
same
old
way.
I've
been
wearing
it
for
10
years.
Ain't
nothing
going
on
here.
See,
a
couple
days
later
you'll
see
people
will
come
up
and
they'll
say,
you
get
different
clothes
or
something.
Is
this
something
about
you?
Seems
to
be
different.
Nah,
same
old
rag
as
I've
always
had.
See,
ain't
nothing
going
on
here.
Then
maybe
a
couple
days
later,
a
week
later
or
something.
They'll
kind
of
kid
you.
They'll
say,
what'd
you
do,
go
snag
a
new
man
or
something?
There's
something
different
about
you.
So
the
other
people
will
notice
a
change
going
on,
but
usually
inside
of
ourselves
we
don't.
But
the
day
comes,
When
you
get
up
and
you
walk
into
the
mirror,
you
know,
in
a
breakfast
or
whatever,
in
the
bathroom,
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
look
in
your
own
eye
and
you
know
something's
going
on.
You
know,
you
just,
you
don't
have
any
idea
what
it
is,
but
you
kind
of
know
that
it's
going
on.
You're
not
sure,
but
you
know.
So
it's
like
when
you
look
in
a
mirror
and
you
realize
that,
see,
then
what
you
do
is
you
close
the
door
so
nobody's
looking
and
you
look
at
yourself,
you
know,
really
good
in
their
mirror.
And
then
you
say,
is
this
like
how
an
oak
tree
would
bud?
You
know,
you
get
those
little
buds
start
to
appear
on
its
branches.
That's
when
you
notice.
You
don't
know
what's
going
on,
but
you're
just
kind
of
looking
at
a
mirror
and
you
say,
check
myself
out.
I
think
I'm
budded.
So
you
just
kind
of
know
things
are
going
on,
but
you
don't
know
for
sure.
And
most
people
that
get
into
recovery,
you
kind
of
sense
that.
So
then
you
go
through
that
first
year,
if
you
take
a
look
what
happens
to
that
oak
tree,
all
that
really
happens
is
those
little
buds,
they
break
open
and
things
start
to...
turn
into
young
leaves
and
they're
not,
the
leaves
don't
have
shape
yet.
But
over
that
first
year,
a
shape
starts
to
form
little
things,
start
to,
like
attitudes,
I
start
to
believe
this,
I
see
hope,
I
get
a
car,
see
I
get
a
job,
I
keep
it,
I
quit
lying,
I'm
getting
responsible.
Just
very,
very
slowly,
these
little
buds
start
to
happen.
So
we
go
through
that
first
year,
and
that's
just
the
budding,
that
budding
season.
Then
we'll
come
to
the
second
season
that's
called
the
summer
season.
And
it's
during
the
summer
seasons
that
those
buds
seem
to
just
kind
of
solidify.
They
get
the
shape
that
they're
supposed
to
be.
And
all
of
them
do
that,
and
if
you
step
back
and
you
look
at
that
tree,
that
tree
kind
of
has
a
shape,
not
like
it
was
shaped
in
the
spring,
but
it
kind
of
has
a
shape
of
how
that
tree
is
going
to
be,
you
see,
for
that
season.
So
at
the
individual
level,
it's
sort
of
like
things
just
kind
of
solidify.
You
get
a
job
and
you
keep
it.
See,
a
few
bucks
extra
in
the
checkbook
or
whatever,
and
you
do
the
checkbook
and
you
balance
it.
See?
Just
kind
of
like
responsible
things.
You
tell
somebody
you're
going
to
be
there
to
make
coffee,
you
get
there.
You
say
you're
going
to
be
here.
You
usually
do.
If
you
don't,
you
call
it.
But
you
start
to
get
some
kind
of
sense
of
responsibility.
So
during
that
second
year,
it's
just
kind
of
a
smoothing
out
place.
You
just,
it
just
kind
of
smooths
out.
So
you
hear
people
say,
well,
that
first
year
is
this
crazy,
and
heck,
now
the
work
begins.
And
there's
all
these
little
different
sayings
that
we
have.
So
then
we
come
to
the
end
of
that
second
season,
or
that
second
year,
and
it's
kind
of
comfortable,
for
the
most
part,
it's
very
comfortable.
Then
we
think
it
can't
get
any
better
than
this.
But
then,
lo
and
behold,
the
next
season
approaches.
So
the
oak
tree
is
standing
out
there
with
all
its
green
leaves,
and
all
of
a
sudden
it
starts
to
notice.
It's
turning
yellow
and
orange,
and
there's
fruits
and
harvest
and
nuts.
So
it's
like
that
third
year
is
usually
we
talk
about,
like,
I'm
in
the
groove.
You
know,
it's
sometimes
it's
like
you
can't
do
anything
wrong.
Just
things
start
to
really
fall
in
place,
you
know,
during
that
third
year
of
sobriety.
And
you
really,
you
know,
things
line
up,
relationships
and
all
that
stuff,
they
just
really
line
up.
So
in
organizations
you'll
see
those
types
of
characteristics.
Even
in
AA
groups
are
meeting
24,
that
third
year
usually,
things
are
just
reading
in
order
and
see
everything
is
happy.
So
Oak
Tree
standing
out
there,
see
Dernet's
third
season.
And
it's
just
saying
they
have
little
things
like
you'll
hear.
If
it's
not
broke,
don't
fix
it.
See,
in
other
words,
don't
touch
anything.
I
wanted
to
stay
this
way
forever.
This
is
good,
see.
I
have
arrived
in
sobriety.
See?
Some
people
said
it
was
going
to
take
10
years.
I
did
it
in
three.
See,
look
at
how
my
life
is.
But
you
see
the
oak
tree
is
starting
out
there,
and
then
one
day
the
temperature
changes
just
a
little
bit,
and
this
gust
the
wind
comes
along,
goes
whee-
and
it
blows
most
of
the
leaves
away.
So
it's
the
approach,
you
see,
of
that
winter
season.
But
the
oak
tree
is
saying,
no
problem,
the
kid's
tough
here.
So
I
lose
a
few
leaves,
see.
Not
a
big
deal.
So
about
a
week
later,
the
temperature
changes
just
a
little
bit,
and
the
oak
tree
loses
more
leaves.
And
the
oak
tree
is
standing
out
wondering
what
the
heck
is
going
on.
But
he's
still
saying,
I
can
maintain.
See,
I've
kind
of
got
it
together.
So
then
a
few
more
weeks
go
along.
The
few
remaining
leaves
that's
hanging
on
the
branches
of
the
oak
tree,
the
wind
blows
those
away
too.
So
in
a
few
more
days,
the
oak
tree
all
of
a
sudden
starts
to
say,
wait
a
minute,
wait
a
minute,
wait
a
minute,
wait
a
minute.
Something's
not
right
here.
And
it
starts
to
look
at
the
forest
and
it
sees
the
forest
looks
dead.
Just
a
little
while
before
it
was
colorful
and
everything
was
together.
Or
it
looked
like
at
work,
you
say
work
sucks.
It
used
to
be
fun
to
work
here,
but
it's
not
fun
to
work
here
anymore.
So
it
starts
to
do
an
examination
of
its
rug
of
life.
And
it
looks
at
the
relationship
and
it
says,
You
know,
this
relationship
used
to
be
fun.
We
used
to
do
things
like
he
just
sets
on
the
TV,
watch
this
work,
we
didn't
do
nothing
together.
And
it's
not
that
great
either.
Besides,
you
know,
it's
just
like
rut
time.
And
you
kind
of
look
at
yourself
in
the
mirror,
you
know,
some
mornings,
like
during
the
beginning
of
winter
season,
you
go,
eh,
you
know.
It's
like
you
start
not
to
be
able
to
stand
yourself.
And
then
you
have
a,
you
just
start,
like,
something's
wrong,
but
you
don't
know
what
it
is.
You
just
sense,
like,
I
must
have
done
something
wrong,
but
you
see.
Then
you
go
to
meetings,
and
you
find
out
meetings
suck
too.
Jesus.
I
mean...
These
make
no
sense.
You
know,
I'm
supposed
to
go
to
these
meetings
to
get
something.
And
that
guy
there
taught
23
minutes.
He
didn't
say
anything.
That
one
judged
this
one
and
that
one
did
this.
I
can't
stand
those
meetings.
You
call
up
your
sponsor
and
his
space
case
or
she's
a
space
case.
They
make
no
sense.
You
try
to
read
the
big
book.
Can't
read
the
big
book.
Try
to
pray.
You
don't
feel
like
praying,
not
really.
You
know
it's
just
lip
service.
Besides
that,
it
doesn't
work.
So
you
see,
it's
during
that
winter
season,
you
kind
of
have
withdrawal.
You
kind
of
want
to,
like,
be
alone.
You
just,
all
of
a
sudden,
something
seems
to
not
be
right.
Now,
there's
a
wintertime
prayer,
and
it
goes
something
like
this.
We
say,
one
morning,
we
say
to
the
creator,
we
say,
you
know,
I
know
in
a
big
book
it
says,
I'm
not
supposed
to
pray
for
myself.
But
in
case
you're
making
an
exception,
I
have
a
little
list
I
had
been
thinking
about.
Amen.
So
here
goes
in
case
you're
listening.
So
I'll
put
these
in
a
priority
in
an
order
of
which
I
would
like
them
granted.
Just
in
case
you
were
willing
to
make
an
exception.
One,
I
would
like
a
cabin
in
the
mountains.
Two,
I
want
to
go
there
by
myself.
Like,
you
know,
man,
I
know
you
know
I
love
him.
I
know
it
doesn't
look
like
lately
that
I
do,
but
I
really
do.
But
I
don't
want
him
along.
See,
the
kids,
let
him
keep
them.
These
kids
are
just
driving
me
nuts,
you
know.
I
just
can't
stand
this.
I'll
take
the
dog.
I
take
a
bunch
of
books
to
read.
I'll
take
a
big
pot
of
a
chicken
noodle
soup
with
an
infinite
supply
of
fried
bread.
I
take
no
television.
No
television,
but
I
want
to
go
all
over
there
by
myself.
I
don't
know
where
I
am.
I
just
want
to
be
alone.
So
in
that
winter
season,
it's
a
season
of
withdrawal
that's
good.
We're
supposed
to.
It's
a
time
of
reflection.
Now,
people
will
do
a
lot
of
dumb
things
during
winter
season
if
they
don't
know
about
winter.
A
lot
of
times
you'll
see
it's
called
burnout
at
work.
It's
time
to
move
on.
See,
burnout,
what
happens?
Three
to
four.
It's
time
to
move
on.
It
used
to
be
fun.
Look,
these
managers,
they
just
got
everything
all
screwed
up.
If
they
just
left
it
alone,
it
would
have
been
good,
but
they
had
to
go
mess
with
it.
Now
everybody's
fighting.
It's
not
fun
to
work
here
anymore.
So
when
you
look
at
the
relationship,
and
you
just
drive
you
nuts,
you
don't
want
to
participate
in
it,
and
you
feel
guilty
because
you're
thinking
that
way,
but
it
just
doesn't
seem
right.
People
will
leave
jobs.
They'll
go
take
new
jobs.
during
the
winter
season.
So
they'll
go
take
a
new
job,
not
necessarily
because
this
job
is
really
good
because
it'll
benefit
them.
So
they'll
take
the
new
job
to
get
the
heck
out
of
that
one.
So
they
leave
for
the
wrong
reason.
They
move
across
country,
do
things,
you
see,
during
that
winter
season.
Many
people
will
leave
relationships.
that
didn't
need
to
have
been
left.
Things
could
have
been
worked
through,
years,
four
to
five.
The
next
season,
years
seven
to
eight,
11
to
12,
see,
15
to
16.
Many
people
slip
in
sobriety.
Years
four
to
five,
seven
to
eight,
11
to
12,
because
of
that
winter
season.
See,
they
do
dumb
things,
because
all
of
a
sudden
it
seems
like
something's
wrong,
but
nothing
is
wrong.
Because
you
see
during
the
winter
season,
There's
three
questions
that
we
lose
the
answer
to.
There's
three
questions
that
we
get
the
answer
to
when
we
first
go
into
our
spring
season.
Like
in
Indian
cultures,
our
ceremonies,
our
dances,
those
culture
things
that
we
do
are
always
about
putting
us
in
touch
with
the
answer
to
three
questions.
And
that
if
I
know
the
answer
to
these
three
questions,
I
can
pretty
much
take
life
on
its
terms.
If
I
know
the
answers
to
why
am
I?
See,
what
is
my
purpose?
Who
am
I?
What
is
my
identity?
And
where
am
I
going?
that
I
know
a
direction.
So
in
my
mind,
we'll
always
feel
comfortable,
grounded,
centered
if
I
know
the
answer
to
those
three
questions.
Why
am
I?
Who
am
I
and
where
am
I
going?
But
if
I
lose
the
answer
to
one
or
more
of
those
three
questions,
then
I
start
to
appear
to
be
lost.
Crazy,
insane.
If
I
don't
know
why
I
am,
if
I
don't
know
who
I
am
anymore?
See.
Now,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
know
that
during
that
fourth
year,
like
during
the
fourth
year
you
work
a
set
of
steps
different
than
you
do
the
first
three.
You
always
work
in
harmony
with
the
season.
Now,
like,
how
do
you
see
the
season
that
you're
in?
Well,
am
I
in
spring,
am
I
in
fall,
in
summer,
or
what?
It's
kind
of
easy.
One
way
is
tomorrow
morning
when
you
get
up,
get
a
cup
of
coffee
or
tea,
whatever,
and
you
just
sit
and
think...
When
was
the
last
time
that
my
life
really
turned
the
crap?
When
did
it
really
go
to
hell?
So
if
it
was
two
years
ago,
then
that's
winter.
So
if
it's
now,
then
I'm
in
spring
or
I'm
in
summer,
you
see.
But
very
often
you'll
see
that
these
seasons
of
sobriety
are
right
in
sync
with
when
you
first
came
in
to
a
program.
That
starts
out
your
season
when
we
come
into
recovery.
And
these
seasons
are
not
necessarily
in
harmony
with
the
seasons
outside.
They're
in
harmony
with
seasons
in
here.
So
it
could
be
winter
outside,
and
you
could
be
in
your
spring,
your
personal
springtime
of
growth.
Now
you
take
being
in
a
relationship,
a
relationship
also
will
have
a
cycle
of
seasons.
So
every
four
years,
typically
a
relationship
will
go
through
a
type
of
a
need
for
renewal.
Because
what
happens
in
when
we
look
at
how
do
we
grow,
we
grow
in
circles,
so
we
really
grow
in
a
direction
like
this,
in
a
virtual
ring.
But
what
happens
is
say
we
go
spring,
summer,
fall,
winter.
What
happens
is
we
transition
to
a
new
orbit.
And
this
is
why
we
appears
to
be
nuts.
You
see,
When
we
go
along
our
first
seasons
and
we
get
our
leaves,
what
are
all
leaves?
My
new
truths,
my
clarity,
what
I
learn
through
praying?
I
know
to
where
to
go
in
a
big
book.
I
know
about
acceptance.
If
this
goes
wrong,
see,
read
449.
Sponsors
tell
us.
We
go
to
again
and
again.
Now
all
of
a
sudden
we
know.
When
this
goes
wrong,
do
this.
We
start
to
get
it.
See,
when
you
get
mad,
instead
of
letting
your
lips
move,
zip
your
lips.
So
you
go
to
11
step,
pause,
ask
for
the
credit
for
the
right
thought
or
action.
And
when
we
don't
let
our
lips
move
against
other
people,
we
start
to
get
along
with
them.
It's
like
we
start
to
get
that.
But
the
other
way
was
let
the
lips
move
first.
So
we
start
to,
see,
these
leaves
are
these
little
techniques
and
these
skills
that
I
have
learned.
And
we
build
this
tree
of
who
I
am
now.
Then
we
develop
our
way
of
kind
of
getting
along
in
life.
But
what
happens
is
the
Creator
causes
a
shift
to
take
place
in
the
unseen
world.
We
shift.
So
now
we're
traveling
at
a
different
momentum.
See
a
different
speed?
Lights.
But
at
the
very
center
of
my
being,
in
the
center
of
the
atom
system,
I
am
connected,
in
the
very
middle
of
everything.
See,
I'm
connected.
So
let's
say
we
put
you
under
that
microscope.
Focus
down,
down,
down,
down,
down,
say
Jerry.
Then
we
would
see
that
you
couldn't
tell
me
from
you
at
that
level.
This
is
the
system
of
atoms
that
makes
up
a
human
being.
But
the
very
center
of
your
system,
we
are
connected
like
this,
at
that
very
center.
Now,
when
we
talk
about
this
interconnected
system,
so
that
means,
then
you
are
connected
to
everyone
here.
In
that
same
way,
we're
connected
to
every
plant,
every
rock,
every
tree,
every
bird,
every
insect.
Because
they're
made
of
the
same
things,
but
the
electrons
change.
But
at
the
center
of
all
things,
we're
connected.
But
then
we
say,
well,
so
what?
You
know,
like
big
deal.
Now,
have
you
ever
noticed
how
you
can
tell
when
you're
not
liked?
Ah,
yeah,
see.
Have
you
ever
noticed
how
you
can
tell
when
you're
not
wanted?
No.
Have
you
ever
noticed
how
you
can
tell
and
somebody
thinks
you're
dumber
in
dirt?
Have
you
ever
gone
into
a
store
as
an
Indian
person
and
you
know
you're
being
watched?
I
mean,
they're
really
cool.
They
watch
you
in
that
mirror.
And
you
know
that
they
know
that
they
think
you're
going
to
go
take
something.
You
ever
watch
that?
See?
Now,
why
is
that?
You
see,
if
my
thinking
is
in
harmony
with
those
principal
laws
and
values,
where
they
are
is
at
that
very
center.
That's
where
they
are
located.
So
if
my
thinking
is
in
harmony,
and
because
we're
connected,
you'll
be
able
to
sense
that.
But
if
there
are
the
harmony,
you
will
sense
that
too.
Now,
it's
not
the
words
that
makes
it
so.
There's
something
else
how
we
can
tell.
See,
if
it
was
the
words
that
made
it
so,
I
would
be
able
to
say,
I
love
you.
And
it
be
so.
But
let's
suppose
I
said
that
to
you
five
minutes
to
one
sarty
night
in
the
country
and
western
bar
just
before
it
closed.
Right?
Well,
see.
So
if
I
say
I
love
you,
truly
love.
See.
Haven't
we
met
before?
See,
we've
been
together
in
another
lifetime,
right?
Whatever
it
is.
See?
You
look
like
someone
I
know,
don't
you?
So
if
I
have
just
using
the
words,
but
my
intent
is
something
else,
see,
so
she
might
say,
what
is
he
after?
So
if
I'm
out
of
spirit
and
intent,
because
we're
connected
in
the
unseen
world,
you
will
always
pick
up
spirit
and
intent.
See,
if
it's
in
harmony,
you
will
sense
it,
but
if
it's
out
of
harmony,
you
will
sense
that
too.
So
if
somebody
doesn't
like
Indian
people,
even
though
they
say,
oh,
see,
do
you
know
this,
I
know
this
one
Indian
lives
in
South
Dakota?
Do
you
know
him?
And
they'll
give
you
their
name.
You
know
how
they
do
that?
See,
some
of
my
best
friends
are
Indians.
But
if
they
are
speaking
out
of
spirit
and
intent,
then
you
will
be
able
to
sense
that.
See,
or
if
you
are
speaking
out
of
spirit
and
intent,
someone
will
be
able
to
sense
that.
So
a
lot
of
the
things
we
are
looking
at
in
the
steps
is
to
do
with
looking
at
also
the
unseen
world.
Where
have
I
been
out
of
spirit
and
intent?
Because
if
I
think
that
I
can
see,
sometimes
they
call
it
sweet
lips
training.
You
know,
where
I
got
the
stuff
and
I
walking
around
trying
to
be
cool
and
trying
to
be
not
who
I
am
and
all
this
stuff.
Other
people
will
pick
up
on
that
because
I'm
out
of
spirit
and
intent.
They
will
just
sense
that.
So
very
often
I
have
lived
out
of
spirit
and
intended
for
a
long
time
when
I'm
drinking.
And
then
the
certain
results
I
get
for
living
out
of
harmony.
See,
that's
the
other
road.
So
the
steps
is
about
finding
out
where
that
is
and
letting
me
come
back
so
that
I
speak
from
that
place
of
principles
that
the
steps
talks
about.
We
live
this
principle
way
of
life.
So
it
means
I
come
back
to
that
road
and
I
have
to
start
looking
at,
desiring
in
my
mind
a
way
of
living
in
harmony
with
the
unseen
world.
But
very
often
we're
under
the
delusion,
I
can
get
away
with
it
if
I
got
good
words.
But
we
cannot,
not
in
relationships,
not
to
one
another.
See,
what
step
you
want?
No,
you
didn't
take
about
three
weeks
to
get
in
a
program.
The
best
place
to
hide
is
say
step
four,
especially
the
old
timers
come
around.
What
step
you
want?
Four,
they
leave
you
alone.
Well,
you
know,
they're
coming
and
say,
what
step
you
want?
Well,
I'm
between
step
two
and
three.
How
do
you
get
between
step
two
and
three?
Well,
I'm
on
steps
one,
two,
and
three.
Oh,
you're
a
waltzer,
right?
One,
two,
three,
one,
two,
three.
See,
so
it's
about
knowing
ourselves
and
how
do
we
work.
So
we
need
to
know
the
elders
said,
it's
interconnected.
You
cannot
get
along
with
nothing.
You
can
think
you
can,
but
you
cannot.
That
there
is
an
unseen
world,
in
the
unseen
world,
where
we're
all
connected,
you
cannot
hide,
but
you
will
think
that
you
can.
So
it's
about
getting
right
with
that.
So
as
we
start
to
look
at
the
steps,
see,
we
look
at
the
whole
thing,
not
just
the
peace,
everything
that
we
do,
you
see,
is
going
to
be.
is
a
balance,
it's
about
harmony.
Conflict
is
what
will
guide
us
to
harmony.
Conflict
is
going
to
be
the
friend
in
the
step,
not
an
enemy.
Because
you
experience
a
conflict,
see,
many
times
in
our
religious
training
we
are
taught,
when
there's
conflict,
you're
wrong.
That's
a
sin.
You
sinned.
You
know?
And
so
when
we
grow,
like
the
same
elder
I
was
talking
to
you
about
earlier,
when
I
was
about
two
years
sober,
I
went
up
to
him
and
I
said,
I
had
just
had
it
with
growing,
you
know,
working
steps
and
praying,
doing
all
this
stuff.
Because
I
said,
you
know,
I
said,
trying
to
walk
this
red
road,
man,
this
is
tough,
you
know.
And
he
said,
well,
let
me
show
you
something.
So
he
took
a
stick
in
his
backyard
and
he
drew
a
line
on
a
road,
on
a
ground
like
that.
And
he
said,
now
I
want
you
to
walk
on
that
stick,
on
that
line,
one
foot
behind
the
other.
So
I
got
on
that
line
like
that
and
I
started
walking
like
this
and
he
was,
he
had
walked
right
side
of
me
like
this
and
all
of
a
sudden
he
gave
me
a
big
push.
And
I'd
go
way
off
this
side.
He'd
say,
get
back
on
that
line.
So
I
get
back
on
there.
He
said,
walk.
So
I
walk
like
that
and
then
you
push
me
this
way
and
I
go
way
off
that
line.
Get
back
on
that
line.
So
I
get
back
there.
So
he
walked
like
that.
So
he
just
seven,
eight
times
he
pushed
me
like
that.
So
then
he
said
to
me,
he
said,
when
you
are
growing,
he
said,
What
he
says
is
you
are
walking
a
red
road,
not
a
red
line.
So
he
took
that
stick
and
he
drew
a
line
way
on
each
side
of
where
my
footprints
was.
He
said,
that's
how
wide
the
red
road
is.
He
said,
you're
trying
to
walk
a
red
line.
It's
a
red
road.
That
the
mistake
is
just
as
sacred
as
being
on
track.
The
mistake
is
just
as
sacred.
He
says,
you
need
to
respect
your
defects.
Because
it
is
through
the
defect
that
you
learn
the
knowledge
of
the
great
spirit.
That's
where
he
talks
to
you.
So
he
said,
don't
be
criticizing
yourself
when
you
make
that
mistake
over
there.
Because
that
happened,
it's
not
wrong,
sin,
guilt,
all
that
stuff.
You're
really
there
to
look
for
the
correction.
Always
looking
for
the
correction.
So
he
said
in
a
way,
lighten
up.
That
road
that
the
creator
made
for
us
to
walk
the
red
road
is
a
big
wide
highway.
Everything
on
that
road
is
sacred,
that
life
and
growing.
See,
the
Creator
made
us
to
learn
by
trial
and
error.
Everything
he
made
learns,
you
take
a
little
baby
learns
to
walk.
When
they
get
that
age,
they
hold
your
fingers
like
that,
and
they
learn
to
walk.
First
thing
they
do
is,
bam,
right
down
on
their
butt,
they
go.
Make
a
mistake
right
away.
Now
you
can
imagine
the
adults
what
we
do
to
that
little
baby,
we
go,
alright,
you
did
it.
See,
that
little
kid
just,
you
know,
puts
his
fingers
back
up
and
gets
back
up,
smashes
his
head
to
the
left.
Right?
All
right,
you
did
it
to
the
right
back.
Well,
all
that
time
they're
learning,
balance,
and
learning
all
that
stuff.
Then
see
in
about
three,
four
months,
and
all
of
a
sudden,
just
walking.
How
did
you
learn
to
do
that?
All
by
mistakes.
Yes.
by
trial
and
error.
And
we
respect
that.
But
that's
how
the
creator
made
us
to
learn.
It's
by
going
off
track,
on
track,
off
track.
So
we
need
to
respect
ourselves.
When
we
come
into
this
and
work
in
the
steps,
it's
about...