The Our Primary Purpose confernence in London, UK
You're
at
Sarah
Dave.
Leave
me
alone.
My
name
is
John.
I'm
an
alcoholic.
Welcome
back.
It
now
gives
me
great
pleasure
to
introduce
you
to
our
next
speaker,
Barbara
Kaye.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name's
Barbara,
and
I'm
an
alcoholic.
Hello.
It's
a
privilege
and
an
honor
to
be
asked
to
share
here
today.
Although
I
didn't
think
that
just
2
minutes
ago
sitting
there,
I
thought,
John,
carry
on.
It's,
it
is
it's
a
lovely
room,
you
know,
and
to
see
it
so
full
of
people
recovering
alcoholics,
it
is
it
is
absolutely
amazing.
I'm
gonna
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
myself
so
that
you
know,
the
route
I
took
to
get
to
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
Like
I
said,
my
name
is
Barbara.
I'm
an
alcoholic,
and
I'm
a
little
bit
over
pensionable
age.
I'm
divorced
with
4
children
and
4
grand
children,
and
my
sobriety
date
was,
the
end
of
November
1986.
And
I
don't
say
that
for
any
other
reason
than
it's
the
truth,
you
know.
And
and
that
that
doesn't
qualify
me
to
be
any
more
sober
than
anybody
else
in
this
room.
In
fact,
I
feel
less
so.
My
knees
are
absolutely
shaking,
and
I'm
not
holding
on
to
this,
for
any
other
reason
than
for
support.
Anyway,
to
get
on
with
it,
when
I
discovered
alcohol,
it
was
like
the
lights
had
gone
on
in
the
world
for
me.
It
was
the
answer
or
seemed
to
be
then
to
all
of
my
problems.
It,
it
it
changed
the
way
I
felt
immediately.
So
I
know
today
and
hindsight
is
a
wonderful
gift
and
a
lot
of
what
I
say
is
with
hindsight.
Because
before
the
before
I
drank,
I
felt,
I
was
not
comfortable.
I
wasn't
comfortable
in
my
own
skin.
I've
read
in
the
big
book
that,
it's
described
as
irritable,
restless,
and
discontented.
And
my
mother
said
I
was
the
most
discontented
child
she'd
ever
met.
And,
you
know,
and
I
know
how
that
feels.
I
was
not
a
happy
person.
I
couldn't
mix
with
people.
I
couldn't
talk
to
people.
I
didn't
get
on
with
people
at
school.
Worse
still,
I
didn't
get
on
with
people
in
my
family.
And
I
said
in
these
rooms
for
a
long
time
after
I
came
here
that
I
came
from
an
unhappy
childhood.
I
didn't.
I
didn't.
I
was
the
unhappy
person
in
that
family.
My
brothers
and
my
sister
and
my
mother
were
perfectly
happy.
I
was
the
unhappy
person.
But
like
I
said,
when
I
discovered
alcohol,
it
was
it
was
just
like
the
lights
had
gone
on
and
I
thought,
this
is
the
this
is
the
answer.
This
is
what
has
been
missing,
and
proceeded
to
drink.
And
I
drank
for
26
and
a
half
years,
and
it's
I
was
what
I'd
call
an
opportunist
drunk
in
the
beginning.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
money.
I
was
married
at
the
time
and
I
would
drink
whenever
we
went
to
parties.
I
know
today
and
I
can
say
in
all
honesty
that
I
never
went
out
and
took
a
drink,
and
I
never
took
a
drink
without
getting
drunk.
Every
time
I
drank,
I
got
drunk.
Every
time
I
drank,
I
got
into
trouble.
And
my
drinking
went
on
like
that
for
quite
a
long
time.
And
I'm
not
gonna
bore
you
with
all
the
bits
in
between
because,
a
lot
of
it
was
done
in
blackout
so
I
would
be
making
it
up
if
I
did.
I
I
I
can't
remember.
What
I
do
remember
is,
I
was
a
binge
drinker
for
a
while
and
at
the
end
of
my
drinking,
I
was
a
daily
drinker.
All
the
time,
my
eyes
were
open.
My
mouth
was
open
too
with
drink
going
down
my
throat.
And
in
the
middle
of
all
of
this
was
a
family
trying
to
grow
up
and
live
a
life.
I
had
no,
no
concept
of,
that
what
I
was
doing
was
was
wrong.
I
hadn't
even
heard
of
the
word
alcoholism.
I
didn't
know
there
was
anything
wrong.
I
needed
to
drink
because
it
took
away
all
of
those
feelings
that
I
spoke
about
before.
It
enabled
me,
I
thought,
to
deal
with
life.
I
didn't
do
life
very
well
without
drink,
and
therefore,
it,
you
know,
I
it
enabled
me
to
do
all
of
that.
And,
you
know,
I
I
didn't
know
anything
about
emotional
harm
that
I
did
to
my
family,
any
of
that
stuff.
I've
learned
all
of
that
since
I
came
into
this
fellowship.
And,
at
the
end
of
my
drinking,
the
the
best
way
I
can
describe
the
end
of
my
drinking
to
you
is
to
compare
it
to
today.
And,
today,
when
I
woke
up,
I
woke
up.
I
didn't
come
to.
Today,
I
knew
that
the
ceiling
I
was
looking
at
was
instantly
mine.
The
person
that
I
was
in
bed
with
was
the
same
person
that
I
went
to
bed
with
last
night.
Better
than
that,
my
bed
was
dry.
You
know?
I
didn't
have
to
rush
to
the
bath
room
to
retch
down
the
toilet.
I
didn't
have
to
reach
for
the,
small
amount
of
alcohol
that
I
may
well
have
left
from
the
night
before
to
get
me
going
that
morning,
this
morning.
I
was
able
to
get
out
of
bed.
And
what
I
did,
I
got
on
my
knees,
and
I
asked
for
help.
And
I
asked
for
help
because
asked
for
help.
And
I
asked
for
help
because
over
the
last
couple
of
days,
I
haven't
been
physically
well.
And
I
don't
do
physical
pain
very
I
don't
do
emotional.
I
don't
do
any
pain
very
well.
And
this
morning,
I
really
had
to
get
off
my
pity
pot
to
get
here
because
I
felt
so
sorry
for
myself,
you
know.
And,
you
know,
but
I
did
the
usual
things
that
I
do
every
morning
now.
I
got
on
my
knees.
I
asked
for
help.
And
you
know
what?
I
feel
so
much
better.
You
know.
Even
my
knees
are
stopping
shaking.
It's
only
a
little
bit
now.
And,
and
I
got
in
the
shower
and
I
got
some
clean
clothes
out.
And
I
got
in
my
car
and
drove
to
a
friend's
house
who
then
drove
me
here.
And
they
they
are
very
simple
things
that
people
out
there
do
every
day
of
their
lives,
but
they
are
the
things
that
I
could
not
do
at
the
end
of
my
drinking.
I
I
was,
falling
down
drunk.
And,
somebody
in
my
family
suggested
that
I
try
AA.
And
I
thought,
what
the
hell
are
you
for?
I'm
not
somebody
that
had
gone
to
AA,
and
I
knew,
that
alcoholics
went
there.
And
he
was
a
man
as
well,
so
it
certainly
didn't
apply
to
me.
Anyway
and,
I
I
decided
that
I
would
go
to
a
couple
of
meetings
because
it
seemed
like
a
good
idea.
The
family
might
talk
to
me
again.
You
see,
throughout
my
drinking,
there
were
lots
of
rows
in
my
family,
lots
of
silences
too,
and
I
really
don't
know
which
I
hated
the
most,
and
neither
of
them
were
very
pleasant.
So
the
answer
to
that
was
to
get
drunk
again.
But,
anyway,
so
I
I
decided
because
they
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
that
I
would
go
to
AA
as
well.
And,
and
I
went
to
a
couple
of
meetings,
and,
I
listened
to
a
couple
of
people
doing
chairs
and,
you
know,
they'd
been
in
prison
and
they'd
been
in
treatment
centers
and
they'd
been,
lost
their
licenses.
And
I'd
never
done
any
of
those
things,
so
I
really
thought
that,
you
know,
it
was
quite
hard
for
me
to
understand
that
I
qualified
to
be
in
this
fellowship.
And,
so,
you
know,
because
I've
never
done
those
sorts
of
things,
and
and
I
missed
the
bit
where
they
said
to
me,
listen
for
the
similarities.
I
missed
that
bit
completely.
You
know,
when
somebody
said
they
wet
the
bed,
I
missed
that
bit.
You
know,
it
was
the
lost
I've
never
lost
my
license.
I've
never
been
in
prison,
you
know,
at
least
of
all
a
mental
hospital,
you
know,
and
and
that
was
what
I
did.
And,
you
know,
I
I
looked
at
the
scrolls
behind
me
on
the
wall
that
said
the
12
steps,
and,
you
know,
I
thought,
god,
that
must
be
alright
for
you
lot.
But,
you
know,
I'm
special
and
I'm
different,
and
I
don't
need
any
of
that
because
I
hadn't
done
all
of
these
things
that,
I
heard
people
talking
about.
And,
I
went
along
for
a
few
months
just
putting
my
backside
on
a
chair
at
a
meeting,
having
a
cup
of
coffee,
plonking
my
dirty
cup
down,
and
walking
back
out
again
and
getting
a
lift
home.
And,
you
know,
I
know
today
that
I
was,
suffering
with
untreated
alcoholism,
you
know,
because,
thank
God,
I
was
lucky
enough,
one
evening
to
be
in
a
room,
at
a
meeting
when
a
lady,
after
I'd
shared,
and
God
knows
what
I
shared.
It
must
have
been
a
load
of
rubbish
because
she
took
me
outside
straight
away
and
read
me
my
fortune,
really.
And,
after
she'd
done
that,
she
offered
to
be
my
sponsor.
And,
you
know,
I'd
heard
all
this
about
sponsorship.
Get
yourself
a
sponsor.
Do
the
program,
you
know,
and
and
but
I
didn't
want
to
do
any.
I
didn't
want
any
of
the
hard
work
that
I
knew
it
would
be.
And,
you
know,
she
she
said,
that
she
would
be
my
sponsor
and
she
would
help
me
through
the
steps
of
this
program.
And,
do
you
know,
my
mouth
went
yes
and
my
head
was
going,
don't
do
that.
Don't
do
that.
You
know,
but
it
was
too
late
because
it
and
that's
why
I
say
thank
God
today
because,
you
know,
I
do
thank
God
for
that,
that
lady
being
in
that
room
that
night.
And,
yeah,
the
first
thing
she
said
to
me
was,
would
I
be
willing
to
get
on
my
knees
and
ask
a
power
greater
than
myself
to
help
me
stay
sober?
And
I
said,
like,
what?
And
she
said,
I
don't
care.
Just
do
it.
I
don't
care
what
it
is.
Just
do
it
anyway.
And
I
and
she
gave
me
some
other
things.
You
know,
she
asked
me
to
read
the
just
for
today
card,
to
make
a
gratitude
list,
and
I
hadn't
got
I
phoned
her
up
one
day,
and
I
said,
I
I
haven't
a
clue
what
to
put
on
here.
And
she
said,
well,
you're
breathing,
so
start
with
that.
And
I
did.
I
did.
I
didn't
know
what
to
put.
And,
you
know,
she,
she
said
she'd
take
me
through
the
through
the
steps,
the
12
steps
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous
as
they
I
laid
out
in
the
big
book
because
that
was
the
only
way
she
knew
how
to
do
it.
And,
you
know,
she
was
she
was,
I
was
quite
in
awe
of
this
woman,
you
know,
and
I
used
to
think
up
ways
to
get
her
off
my
back
when
I
hadn't
sort
of,
if
I
was
late
phoning
or
if,
I
hadn't
sort
of
done
what
I
was
supposed
to
have
done.
And
I'd
phone
her
up,
and
I've
I've
already
spoken
about
self
pity,
and
I
do
suffer
with
that
sometimes.
And,
I
used
to
phone
her
up
and
say,
oh,
I
feel
really
dreadful
today.
I
think
I'll
have
a
drink.
And
do
you
know
what
the
bitch
said
to
me?
Go
on
then.
You
know,
and
I
thought,
how
could
you
be
so
heartless?
But
she
was
to
get
off
the
pity
pot.
And,
you
know,
and
she
and
so
she
started
to
take
me
through
the
12
steps.
And,
you
know,
she
she
taught
me
so
much,
and,
you
know,
I
know
you
all
know
about
the
12
steps,
but,
there's
just
1
or
2
little,
experiences
that
I
had
that
I've
remembered,
actually,
when
you
were
having
your
question
and
answer
session.
I
was
sat
at
the
back
listening
and
shaking,
but
listening
mostly.
And,
you
know,
she
taught
me
that
the
first
3
steps
would
take
care
of
my
the
first
step
would
take
care
of
my
physical
illness,
because
I'm
powerless
over
alcohol
and
my
life
is
unmanageable.
Step
2
would
take
care
of
my
mental
illness
that
I'd
absolutely
denied
I
had.
And
step
3
would
take
care
of
my
spiritual
malady,
you
know.
I
just
wanna
step
back
to
the
second
half
of
the
first
step
because,
this
might
give
you
some
idea
of
of
what
I
was
like,
and
and
probably
still
can
be
like
if
I
don't
work
at
it.
The
second
half
of
that
step
says
my
life
is
unmanageable,
and
it
took
me
a
while
to
get
hold
of
that.
I
could
I
could,
with
her,
see
the
the
powerlessness
I
had
over
alcohol,
but
the
unmanageability,
I
couldn't.
You
know,
because
when
I
came
into
this
fellowship,
I
had
a
house,
nice
house.
I
had
a
husband.
I
had
4
children.
Wife.
My
children
didn't
talk
to
me.
My
house
was
an
absolute
pigsty.
The
2
cars,
one
was
rusting
and
one
we
couldn't
afford
to
tax
because
I
drank
so
much.
The
caravan,
the
wheels
had
fallen
off,
and
the
boat
had
sunk.
But
my
life
was
not
unmanageable.
Thank
you,
thank
you.
You
know,
so
so
that
was
a
great
lesson,
sort
that
out.
She
had
to
help
me
sort
out
a
lot
of
what
was
fact
and
fantasy
in
my
life
because
I
I
I
didn't
know.
Because
I
didn't
do
life,
I
fantasized
a
lot
and
I
was
drunk
in
blackout
half
the
time,
so
I
really
hadn't
got
a
clue.
And,
she
told
me
one
day,
she
said,
Barbara,
everybody
builds
fairy
castles
in
the
sky.
You
need
to
move
out,
you
know,
And
and
that
was
when
I
sort
of
came
to
grips
with
honesty
and,
self
honesty,
really.
And,
yeah.
So
that
was,
that
was
that.
And
after
I'd
done
step
3
with
her,
I
I
went
on.
She
showed
me
how
to
do
step
4.
And
that
was
a
great
revelation
to
me
because,
you
know,
I
had
always
always
blamed
everybody
else.
And
my
finger
was
always
pointing
out
it
was
always
you,
you,
you,
or
that,
that,
that,
and,
you
know,
the
reason
I
drank.
And
and
what
step
4
did
for
me
and,
ultimately,
step
5,
it
made
me
point
the
finger
in,
you
know,
and
look
at
myself,
you
know.
And
some
of
what
I
saw,
I
didn't
like.
And
that
was
okay.
That
was
okay
because
she
told
me
I
could
change,
and
it
was
a
program
of
action,
you
know.
And
and
it
tells
us
in
the
big
book,
doesn't
it?
You
know,
we
launched
into
a
vigorous
program
of
action,
and,
you
know,
that
was,
that
was
good.
You
know,
step
6
and
7,
defects
of
character.
My
god.
I
didn't
know
I
had
any.
You
know,
I
I
I
really
didn't.
I
really
was
in
that
castle
in
the
sky,
and,
you
know,
and
and
she
told
me
what
they
were.
In
fact,
she
wrote
them
down
for
me,
so
I
wouldn't
forget.
And,
you
know,
she
and
she
showed
me
what
I
could
do,
you
know,
to
get
rid
of
them,
you
know,
and
I
had
to
find
some
humility,
you
know.
I
hadn't
got
a
clue
what
it
was.
And
I
was
so
frightened
to
ask
because
I
heard
somebody
at
a
meeting
say,
if
you
talk
about
humility,
you
haven't
got
it.
And
I
thought,
god,
I
can't
open
my
mouth
about
that
one
because
I
think
I'm
not
humble,
you
know.
But
I
knew
all
about
humiliation,
you
know,
and
I
had
to
learn
about
humility.
And
I
heard
it
described
once,
and
and
this
sits
with
me
very
well,
is
that
we
don't
think
less
of
ourselves.
We
think
of
ourselves
less,
you
know,
and
that's
a
definition
of
humility
that
I
quite
like.
So,
yeah.
So,
you
know,
we
we
went
through
this
program.
She
showed
me
how
to
make
amends,
and
I
had
a
few
of
those,
you
know,
and
and
a
few
that
I
didn't
really
wanna
do,
you
know.
But
after
I'd
seen
my
defects
of
character
and
after
I'd
done
step
8
and
seen,
you
know,
or
looked
at
how
the
other
person,
would
have
felt
had
they
been
treated
that
way,
you
know,
I
just
wanted
to
get
it
over
with,
you
know,
and
I
I
did
get
on
with
that
quite
quickly,
you
know,
and
I
started
with
Easy
People,
my
mother,
and,
you
know,
and
and
while
I
was
doing
step
4,
she
showed
me
how
to
do
step
10
and,
you
know,
and
I
still
do
that
today.
You
know,
I've
still
got
a
sponsor
today.
It's
not
the
same
one
that
took
me
through
the
program.
Sadly,
she
died.
And,
but,
you
know,
I
still
have
a
sponsor
today.
Again,
you
were
talking
about
sponsorship
after
somebody's
recovered
from
alcohol.
Yeah.
I
I
absolutely,
need
to
talk
to
my
sponsor.
I
want
to
talk
to
my
sponsor
today.
You
know,
I
I
have
the
responsibility
of
sponsoring
other
people,
and
sometimes
I
don't
know
what
to
do.
I'm
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
statement,
isn't
it?
I
don't
know
everything.
You
know,
so
I
have
to
ask
advice.
I
have
to
make
sure
that
what
I'm
doing
is
right.
If
she
doesn't
know,
then
I
have
to
go
back
to
the
big
book.
You
know,
if
it's
it's
not
in
there,
I
don't
do
it.
You
know?
And,
you
know,
today,
my
life
is
absolutely
transformed,
absolutely
from,
an
everyday
falling
down
drunk.
You
know,
I've
got
a
partner
today,
and
I
have
a
5050
relationship
with
him.
I
never
could
do
that
before.
When
I
was
married,
it
was
always
20,
80,
70,
30,
me
being
the
lesser.
And,
you
know,
I've
got
a
job
that
I
enjoy
today.
I
was
unemployable
when
I
came
here.
I
lost
my
job
through
being
drunk
at
work.
Oh,
yeah.
That
was
another
bit
of
unmanageability.
You
know,
I
couldn't
manage
to
drink
at
work
and
stay
sober.
And,
you
know,
I
I
just
told
everybody
you
know,
today,
because
I
put
in
the
action
of
this
program,
or
I
try
to.
I
don't
do
it
perfectly
every
day,
and
I
really
wouldn't
want
to,
you
know,
because,
nobody
can
be
perfect
and,
but
I
put
in
the
effort
and
I
put
in
the
action,
you
know.
And,
you
know,
life
happens,
But
I've
got
the
support
of
this
fellowship.
I've
got
the
support
of
people
in
it.
I've
got,
the
program
that
I
work,
you
know,
when
I
get
on
my
knees
and
ask
for
help.
And
I
say
thank
you
when
I
get
on
my
knees
again
this
evening.
And,
you
know,
it's
it
is
a
program
of
action,
and
for
me,
that
is
service
as
well
in
this
fellowship.
I
have
to
do
service.
And
one
of
the
greatest
bits
of
service
I
can
do,
comes
back
to
the
theme
of
this
convention,
which
is
our
primary
purpose,
which
is
tradition
5,
you
know,
and,
I
do
work
on
the
helpline.
I'm
a
responder
on
the
helpline,
and
that's
why
I
can't
come
here
tomorrow
because
I'm
on
the
helpline
tomorrow,
which
I
think
is,
I
enjoy
doing
it.
I
love
doing
it.
I
couldn't
start
doing
that
until,
a
couple
of
years
ago
because,
I
had
an
illness
that
kept
me
off
work
for
9
months,
and
I,
you
know,
had
a
word
with
my
sponsor
who
suggested
that
I
might
try
and
do
a
bit
of
service
because
it's
only
by
thinking
of
others
that
I
forget
about
myself,
And,
you
know,
and
I
do
some
12
step
work.
You
know,
to
me,
that
is,
a
wonderful
piece
of
service.
You
know,
it,
I
started
doing
12
step
work
when
I
was
about
a
year
sober,
and,
I
used
to
take
hostages.
And,
you
know,
if
I
got
hostages
and,
you
know,
if
I
got
somebody
to
12
step,
nobody
at
a
meeting
was
gonna
talk
to
her.
She
was
mine,
and
I
was
gonna
get
us
sober.
And
until
I
I
had
a
great
lesson,
in
my
1st
year
of
sobriety,
I
didn't
drive.
We
hadn't
saved
up
enough
money
to
get
the
cars
back
on
the
road
by
then,
so
I
used
to
get
buses
to
meetings
and,
I'd
arranged
to
meet
this
woman
at
the
bus
stop.
I
came
through
the
town,
and,
it
was
of
an
evening,
and
we
were
gonna
go
on
to
the
next
town.
And
I
said
to
her,
I'll
be
sitting
at
the
back
of
the
bus,
you
know,
make
sure
you
get
on
all
the
rest
of
it,
gave
her
instructions.
And
this
day
she
got
on
the
bus
and
she
stood
where
the
driver
is
and
she
said,
I'm
not
an
alcoholic,
Barbara,
I'm
not
coming
tonight.
So
I
I
I
didn't
do
that
anymore.
It
taught
me
a
great
lesson.
It
taught
me
a
great
lesson
as
as
as
I've
learned
a
lot
of
lessons.
And,
you
know,
I
I
heard
somebody,
in
the
question
and
answer
session
talking
about,
not
being
a
doctor,
not
being
a
a
lawyer,
you
know,
and
that
was
another
great
thing
my
sponsor
taught
me,
you
know,
because
I
when
I
first
got
sober,
I
thought,
you
know,
everything
was
gonna
be
wonderful
and
I
was
gonna
be
rich
and
I
was
gonna
have
this
handsome
man,
I
was
gonna
have
this
lovely
car
with
this
lovely
house
and,
you
know,
all
of
that
sort
of
stuff.
And,
you
know,
she
taught
me
that
AA
is
not,
a
financial
adviser,
a
doctor,
a
lawyer,
a
marriage
guidance
counselor.
You
know,
some
individuals
might
think
they
are,
but
that's
not
what
the
rooms
of
AA
are
for.
And,
you
know,
she
she
taught
me
that,
which
which
was,
which
was
great.
And,
you
know,
I'd
I'm
really
struggling
now
to
think
of
what
else
to
say,
but,
you
know,
in
my
2
home
groups,
the
chair
is
for
20
minutes,
and
I
don't
often
get
to
do
the
chair
there.
So,
most
of
the
other
groups
I
go
to,
it's
20
minutes.
And,
you
know,
if
you
share,
you
share
for
5
minutes,
and
you
shut
up
like
that.
You
know,
so
I
think
I've
done
really
well-to-do
25.
And
I'm
gonna
leave
it
there,
and
thank
you
very
much,
and
God
bless
you
all.