The topic of "How AA Really Started" at the 2000 South Bay Roundup
Thing
that
was
available
was
religion.
And
one
of
the
fun
things
I
I'm
I'm
afflicted
with
a
number
of
problems,
and
one
of
them
is
is
that
I
love
to
read.
It
was
the
first
escape
that
I
ever
had,
and
I
love
history.
And,
I
have
a
friend
up
in
Santa
Barbara
who's
a
book
binder,
and
he's
a
Franciscan
monk.
And,
I
needed
a
bible,
and
he
bound
this
bible
that
was
from
1905.
And
it's
just
a
gorgeous,
gorgeous
piece.
And,
in
it
was
this
temple
splice.
And
so
before
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
guys
like
me,
what
what
we
were
offered
was
something
like
this.
We
hereby
solemnly
promise
god
helping
us
to
abstain
from
all
distilled,
fermented,
and
malt
liquor,
including
wine
and
beer,
bummer,
to
employ
all
proper
means
to
discourage
the
use
of
and
traffic
in
the
same.
What
an
order.
I
can't
go
through
with
it.
This
this
afternoon,
what
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
the
Oxford
Group,
who
the
people
were
and
what
it
is
that
they
believed
in.
Because
I
I
believe
that
in
knowing
where
we
come
from,
we
get
a
better
understanding
of
who
we
are.
And
so
this
is
kind
of
a
story
about
who
it
is
that
we
are.
And
what
I'm
going
to
do
is,
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
a
lot
of
different
things
that
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to,
to
read
over
the
years.
And
one
of
the
things
that
I
need
to
share
with
you
is
about
my
friend,
Dick
Burns.
And
Dick
Burns
has
done
a
lot
of
marvelous
books
on
AA
history,
and
the
most
important
thing
is
that
he's
a
person
who
has
done
a
great
service
to
the
fellowship
in
his
archival
and
almost
megalomaniacal
pursuit
of
what
exactly
happened.
I
mean,
this
is
a
man
who's
willing
to
sit
for
days
and
days
at
a
time
and
go
through
every
page
of
Sam
Shoemaker's
journal
to
find
out
where
it
was
that
Sam
said
that
Bill
Wilson
came
in
the
office.
Remarkable.
And
anyway,
so
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
recommend
to
you
is
a
couple
of
his
titles.
And,
the
one
that
that
today
were,
that
I
found
very,
very
helpful
over
the
years
was
a
new
light
on
alcoholism.
Sam
Shoemaker
and
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
The
Oxford
Group
was
a
semireligious,
but
informal
movement
founded
by
Frank
Buckman
in
1921
while
he
was
an
undergraduate
doing
some
undergraduate
work
at
Oxford
University.
The
name
was
first
applied
to
the
group
in
South
Africa.
There
were
a
group
of
them
from
England,
from
Oxford
that
were
down
doing
some
missionary
work,
some
conversion
work
with
people.
And
a
guy
from
the
newspaper
looked
at
the
train
car
that
they
were
on
and
there
was
a
little
sticker
that
was
put
on
there
to
identify
their
car
and
it
said
the
Oxford
Group.
So
we
took
that.
And
it
was
short
and
it
was
easy
to
describe
who
this
group
of
people
were.
So
kinda
stuck.
But
they
actually
never
had
any
affiliation
with
Oxford
University,
of
any
kind
whatsoever.
Can
you
hear
me
okay
in
the
back,
Dottie?
Okay.
The
professed
purpose
of
The
Oxford
Group
was
to
solve
personal,
national
and
international
problems
by
bringing
men
and
women
everywhere
back
to
the
basic
principles
of
Christian
faith
while
enhancing
all
of
their
primary
royalties.
This
definition
comes
from
an
old
encyclopedia
called
the
Lincoln
Library.
And
in
the
Lincoln
Library,
published
in
1955,
it's
very
interesting.
There's
3
paragraphs
on
the
Oxford
Group
and
there's
1
paragraph
on
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
It
goes
on
to
say
that
without
organization,
membership,
subscription
or
definite
creed,
the
movement
rapidly
obtained
adherence
in
nearly
all
countries
of
the
world.
This
isn't
just
a,
you
know,
a
strange
little
band
of
folks
in
in
England
and
in
and
in,
and
in
New
York
and
and
Ohio.
Particularly
in
the
middle
and
upper
classes
and
was
accorded
recognition
by
leading
figures
in
many
governments.
Adopting
the
name
moral
rearmament
in
1938,
the
leaders
of
the
movement
sought
by
the
spread
of
its
principles
to
stem
the
tide
of
hostilities.
These
men
and
women
felt
that
it
was
their
mission
to
try
and
stop
the
evolution
that
became
the
2nd
World
War.
Now
I'd
like
to
read
you
the
Oxford
Group
preamble.
This
is
from
a
book
called
what
is
the
Oxford
Group,
and
it's
available
from
Hazelden
Press.
You
cannot
belong
to
the
Oxford
Group.
It
has
no
membership
list,
subscription,
badge
rules
or
definite
location.
It
is
a
name
for
a
group
of
people
who
from
every
rank,
profession,
and
trade
in
many
countries
have
surrendered
their
lives
to
God
and
are
endeavoring
to
lead
a
spiritual
quality
of
life
under
the
guidance
of
the
Holy
Spirit.
The
Oxford
Group
is
not
a
religion.
It
has
no
hierarchy,
no
temples,
no
endowments.
Its
workers
have
no
salaries,
no
plans
but
god's
plan.
Every
country
is
their
country,
every
man
their
brother.
Sound
a
little
familiar?
Every
historian
has
their
conceit.
And
what
I
want
to
share
with
you
is
is
that
I'm
not
here
to
tell
you
that
something
is
right
or
that
something
is
wrong.
All
that
I
want
to
do
today
is
try
and
expose
you
to
the
language
and
thoughts
that
our
founders
synthesized
and
used
in
order
to
found
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
The
leader
of
the
Oxford
Group
was
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
Frank
Buckman.
This
guy
was
nominated
twice.
Once
before
the
2nd
World
War
for
trying
to
stop
it
and
once
after
the
2nd
World
War
for,
the
work
in
trying
to
get
nations,
not
individuals
to,
to
reconcile
with
each
other.
He
was
decorated
by
the
governments
of
France,
Germany,
Greece,
Japan
and
the
Philippines
for
his
work
after
he
founded
the
Oxford
Group.
In
'thirty
eight,
they
changed
the
name
officially
into
moral
rearmament.
And
it's
really
interesting
that
this
group
and
I'll
touch
on
this
later,
was
equal
he
was
equally
vilified
by
hawks
and
doves,
labor
and
management,
liberals
and
conservatives,
fascists
and
communists
all
over
the
world.
Everybody
just
like
this
guy
that
had
any
agenda.
Frank,
for
for
the
purpose
of
this
story,
in
1907,
Frank
has
been
an
ordained
Lutheran
minister
for
about
5
years.
He's
been
involved
in
in
church
work
in
Pennsylvania.
He
ran
a
boys'
home,
And
he
went,
he
got
involved
with
this
boys'
home
and
he
grew
it
so
much.
There
were
so
many
folks
that
were
coming
to
it.
So
many
young
men.
They
were
given
a
place
to
eat,
a
place
to
take
a
shower,
they
were
given
Bible
instructions,
they
had
fellowship
meetings,
And
they
were
given
a
place
to
stay
and
they
were
fed.
And
the
thing
got
so
the
response
to
it
was
so
great
there
in
the
slums
of
Philadelphia
that,
the
board
that
he
was
working
for
got
upset
because
there
was
all
this
money
going
on.
And
they
decided
that
what
they
were
gonna
do
was
that
the
best
thing
they
could
do
to
save
money
was
to
cut
the
rations
that
the
boys
were
eating,
and
Frank
got
upset
with
that
and
he
quit.
And
he
decided,
well,
he's
gonna
go
off
and
he's
gonna
spend
a
year
in
Europe
preaching
and
and
studying
and
and
meeting
with
other
people.
And,
while
he
wasn't
and
he
kept
trying
to
do
personal
work,
trying
to
convert
individuals.
And,
what
happened
is
is
he
wasn't
having
any
success.
One
day,
he's
in
he's
in
Keswick,
England,
and
he's
listening
to
the
Salvation
Army
woman
talk
about
the
cross
of
Jesus,
and
he
has
this
image
of
a
big
I,
the
letter
I.
And
he
came
to
believe
that
he
saw
in
that
moment
what
his
problem
was.
It
was
himself,
his
ego.
And
that
what
he
had
to
do
was
he
had
to
get
right
with
God
and
himself
if
he
was
ever
going
to
be
any
use,
if
he
was
ever
going
to
be
able
to
preach
effectively.
So
what
he
did
was
is
he
went
home
that
night,
and
to
the
6
members
of
this
board,
he
wrote
them
letters
of
amends.
And
he
said,
I've
harbored
ill
will
for
you.
Please
forgive
me.
And
the
most
amazing
thing
happened
the
next
day.
He
was
walking
and
talking
with
the
kid,
and
the
kid
asked
him
about
this
inner
life
that
he
had,
and
he
had
his
first
experience
of
sharing
with
someone
in
over
a
year.
And
this
this
kid
made
a
decision
for
Christ.
And
And
so
what
happened
is
that
Buckman
believed
to
the
very
core
of
his
being
that
what
was
most
important
was
that,
that
a
person
had
to
get
clean
first
in
order
to
have
any
kind
of
a
spiritual
life.
From
1907
on,
he
started
to
go
out
to
different
countries
preaching
this
message,
and
the
message
generally
he
was
preaching
was
to
people
who
were
involved
in
missionary
work.
And
the
last
slide
that
we
showed
was
of
him
in
1915
meeting
with
the
Mahatma
Gandhi.
Gandhi
said
that
Buckman's
work
as
in
the
Oxford
Group
and
later
in
Royal
Re
Armament
was
the
most
important
movement
to
come
out
of
the
West.
This
is
a
man
who
between
1912
1961
when
he
died
had
contact
with
just
about
every
major
political
figure
in
the
West,
some
in
a
few
in
Eastern
Europe,
in
Africa
and
in
South
America,
trying
to
talk
about
working
a
set
of
spiritual
principles.
Later
on,
what
happened
is
that,
he
went
back
to
Frank
went
back
to
Pennsylvania
and
he
became
the,
the
head
of
the
Young
Men's
Christian
Association
at
Penn
State
University.
And
there
he
was
in
charge
with
with,
helping
with
the
moral
life
of
the
of
the
students
there.
And,
in
1922
in
in
Penn
State
University,
there
was
a
lot
of
drinking
going
on.
A
lot
of
drinking
going
on.
And
at
the
time,
only
15%
of
the
young
eligible
men
were
members
of
the
Young
Men's
Christian
Association.
And,
so
he
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
he
could
do.
And
Frank
came
to
believe
that
the
way
to
confront
any
group
was
you
find
the
most
outrageous
sinners,
and
those
are
the
people
that
you
approach.
And
at
Penn
State
University,
there
was
a
gentleman
and
his
name
was
Bill
Pickle.
And
Bill
Pickle
was
the
son
of
a
bootlegger
and
was
a
bootlegger,
and
he
was
a
tough,
mean,
nasty,
irate
guy.
And
he
said
when
Buckman
started
doing
personal
work
at
the
university
that
he'd
just
as
soon
stick
a
knife
in
him
as
to
breathe
the
same
air
that
he
breathe.
And
one
day,
Frank's
walking
along
with
a
guy
that
he's
trying
to
pass
the
message
on
to,
and
they
see
Pickle.
And
he
knows
that
if
he
doesn't
approach
Pickle,
that
he's
gonna
lose
this
guy.
And
he's
scared
to
death.
And
he
walks
up
and
he
approaches
his
line
and
he
says,
Bill,
Pickle
turned
around
to
him
and
he
said,
we've
been
praying
for
you.
And
the
story
is
that
all
the
fight
went
out
of
the
man's
face.
And
over
the
next
3
weeks,
he
went
around
to
some
other
meetings
that
that
Frank
was
going
to.
And
Bill
made
a
decision
for
Christ,
and
he
quit
drinking,
and
he
quit
bootlegging.
And
nobody
could
believe
it
there
at
Penn
State
University.
The
connection
went
to
the
other
side.
It
was
horrible.
And
Bill
Pickle
never
took
another
drink
in
his
life,
and
I
believe
that
this
is
where
the
where
the
the
slang
term
being
pickled
comes
from.
It's
actually
from
him
because
over
the
next
4
years
here
and
there,
he
would
actually
go
out
with
Oxford
Group
teams
and
testify
to
what
happened
in
his
line.
And
what
happened
with
Bill
is,
is
that
Bill
couldn't
read
or
write
and
he
sat
down
and
with
Frank
and
he
shared
the
things
that
troubled
him
the
most.
And
for
Bill,
it
was
the
way
that
he
treated
his
wife
and
his
family.
And
he
wrote
Frank
wrote
these
letters
to
the
children
and
to
his
wife,
and,
the
guy's
life
just
changed.
When
we
talk
about
Buckman,
we're
talking
about
a
Lutheran
minister.
So
we're
going
to
talk
a
lot
of
Christian
stuff.
That's
all
this
is.
You
know?
And
what
we
are
is
is
we're
the
outgrowth
of
this
group
that
believe
that
there
was
absolutely
no
problem,
no
human
problem
that
cannot
be
addressed
by
spiritual
means.
And
what
we've
been
able
to
do
is
take
their
vision
and
expand
it
a
little
bit.
And
we
have
a
movement
now
that
encompasses
what?
Maybe
500
different,
anonymous
fellowships
all
over
the
world.
The
same
solution
of
applying
spiritual
principles
to
personal
problems.
But
what,
what
Buckman
saw
was
that
the
big
thing
that
got
in
between
people
and
god
was
sin.
And
what
Butman
defines
sin
as
was,
was
anything
that
got
between
you
and
god
or
that
got
between
you
and
your
fellow
man.
And
in
this
wonderful
book,
the
the
Oxford
Group
authors
had
great
titles.
And,
this
is
for
sinners
only.
I'm
qualified
to
read
it.
And
then
it
this
is
you
know,
we
we
sit
around
and
we
think,
how
can
these
monks
have
put
up
with
all
this
Jesus
stuff?
Well,
you
know,
we
have
to
remember
what
the
country
was
like
in
those
days
and
who
these
people
were
and
how
they
were
raised,
but
also
that
this
was
a
dynamic
message
that
people
hadn't
heard
before.
Buckman
described,
sin
was
anything
contrary
to
the
will
of
god,
and
that
he
said
that
there
was
no
complete
catalog
of
sins
for
everybody
since
what
was
sin
to
1
might
not
always
be
sin
to
another.
Sin
might
be
drunkenness
or
pride,
murder
or
dishonesty,
selfishness
or
refusal
to
love
god
or
one's
neighbor,
coveting
another
man's
wife,
or
loving
the
husband
of
another
woman.
It
might
be
overeating
or
vain
boasting
or
over
calling
your
partner
a
bridge.
It
might
be
graft
or
greed,
pugnacity
or
fear,
waste
or
meanness,
aversion
or
perversion.
Such
sins
and
all
others
were
included
in
the
one
major
sin
of
independence
toward
god
who
should
be
first,
last,
and
at
all
times
sought
as
taught
in
the
10
Commandments
in
the
New
Testament.
Now
Frank
actually
people
would
say
to
him,
you
know,
well,
is
this
a
sin?
Or
or
what
do
you
think
about
this?
And
what
what
Frank
would
say
is,
he
said,
you
should
do
anything
that
god
lets
you
do.
Remarkable.
Now
what
Frank
would
do
is
is
that
he
would
work
with
people
and
they
call
them
personal
interviews.
And
these
people
would
go
through
a
set
of
spiritual
exercises.
Oh,
okay.
Yeah.
And
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
share
with
you
the
steps
of
The
Oxford
Group.
The
Oxford
Group
had
4
steps
that
they
believed
that
anyone
who
applied
them
to
their
lives
would
have
the
ability
to
have
a
spiritual
regeneration.
The
first
one
was
the
sharing
of
our
sins
and
temptations
with
another
Christian
life
given
to
god
and
to
use
sharing
as
witness
to
help
others
still
unchanged
to
recognize
and
acknowledge
their
sins.
So
they're
doing
steps
45
first
to
clear
you
up
so
you
can
do
what
we
call
step
3.
They
said
surrender
of
our
life
past,
present,
and
future
into
god's
keeping
and
direction.
The
third
step,
that
thing
which
could
finally
clear
us
up
so
we
were
able
to
have
a
spiritual
experience
was
restitution
to
all
that
we
have
harmed
directly
or
indirectly.
And
finally,
the
fruit
of
that
work
is,
therefore,
step,
listening
to,
accepting
and
relying
on
God's
guidance
and
carrying
it
out
in
everything
that
we
say,
great
or
small.
Men
and
women
started
to
do
these
things,
and
they
started
to
change.
One
of
the
things
they
used
to
call
the
life
the
Oxford
Group
was
the
life
changers
or
the
soul
surgeons.
And
they'd
actually
say
stuff
like
that.
The
life
changers
are
coming
to
town.
And
what
would
happen
is
is
that
Butman
would
get
together
a
group
of
people,
normally
people
that
wouldn't
next.
There'd
be
a
a
society
housewife
and
maybe
a
star
athlete.
There'd
be
a
a
German
count
and
maybe
a
British
noblewoman,
a
guy
like
Bill
Pickle,
a
normal
housewife.
And
they
would
send
a
team,
and
they
called
it
the
reason
that
that,
Butman
said
that
he
liked
to
work
in
in
teams
was
is
because
that's
what
Jesus
used,
which
he
had
a
team.
And
what
these
teams
would
do
is
they
would
go
into
a
town,
and
they
would
carry
the
message.
They
would
get
up,
and
they
would
tell
their
stories,
what
they
used
to
be
like,
what
happened
as
a
result
of
working
their
steps,
and
then
what
their
lives
were
like
now.
And
one
of
the
great
things
for
us
is
is
that
in
1931,
a
guy
by
the
name
of,
Bud
Firestone
met
a
man
by
the
name
of
Samuel
Shoemaker
at
an
Episcopal
Bishop's
Conference
in
Denver.
And
on
a
train
line
out
of
that,
Bud
worked
those
steps,
and
Bud,
who
was
a
horrible
alcoholic's
obsession
to
drink
was
removed
at
that
moment
that
he
did
his
sharing
his
his
4th
and
5th
step,
his
first
step
with
Schumacher.
And
from
that,
I
mean,
his
family
was
amazed
and
the
family
doctor
even
called
it
a
medical
miracle.
The
family
was
so
grateful
that
what
they
did
is,
is
that
they
contacted
after
watching
the
guy
for
a
while
and
seeing
that
he
actually
had
changed.
They
actually
invited
the
group
to
come.
And
so
a
team
came
to
the
town
of
Akron
where
the
Firestone
family
was,
and
Frank
Buckman
and
a
group
brought
their
message
of
working
these
steps
to
that
western
town.
Mhmm.
And
what
happened
is
is
the
message
was
heard
by
some
men
and
women.
And
the
people
that
were
sitting
in
the
audience
were
t
Henry
and
Clarence
Williams,
Henrietta
Seiberling,
Bob
and
Anne
Smith,
the
reverend
Walter
Tuntz,
James
Newton,
Roland
Hadid.
All
these
folks,
well,
not
all
of
them
that
are
here,
but
this
is
a
list
of
the
major
players.
And
and
after
the
talk
today,
if
you
want,
we've
got
some,
we've
got
a
list
of
these
people
with
little
bios
and,
some
notes
about
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
today.
So
if
you
enjoy
them,
we'd
be
happy
to
make
them
available
to
you.
So
what
would
happen
is
is
the
team
would
come
in.
And
one
of
my
favorite
stories
about
The
Oxford
Group
is
is
that
in
1933,
an
Oxford
Group
team,
went
through
Canada.
K.
This
is
the
height
of
the
depression.
There
are
60
people.
They
never
had
more
than
more
than
a
week's
expenses.
Frank
never
collected
money.
He
never
asked
for
it.
It
was
people
like
Firestone
saying,
you
know,
I'd
like
you
to
come.
Here's
some
money.
We'll
rent
the
hotel.
It
was
the
voluntary
contribution
to
people
who
were
at
the
meeting.
They
never
passed
a
hat.
And
for
8
months,
this
group
of
people
went
back
and
forth
across
Canada,
sharing
this
message.
It
started
out
when
it
started,
there
were
like
3,000
people
at
their
first
meeting
in
Ottawa.
By
the
time
they
got
to
Vancouver,
30,000
people
are
showing
up
to
listen
to
these
people.
Now
in
Akron
in
Akron
when
Buckman
and
the
gang
came,
there
were
1600
people
that
showed
up
for
those
meetings,
which
is
just
stunning.
Anyway,
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
tell
you
about
Buckman
is
the
kind
of
guy
that
he
was.
He
believed
that
the
people
that
were
closest
to
the
flame,
the
people
who
had
been
converted
the
earliest
were
the
ones
that
had
the
best
message.
Give
me
a
man
that's
30
days
sober.
Does
anybody
give
a
better
pitch
than
the
guy
who's
got
or
galley
who's
got
their
1st
year
birthday?
You
know,
we
really
ought
to
record
it
so
we
can
give
it
back
to
them
later
on
down
the
line.
But,
anyway,
here's
a
description
of
Frank.
Sir,
Arnold
Lund,
the
author
and
inventor
of
the
Tlalum
and
downhill
races
in
skiing,
used
often,
to
criticize
Buckman
in
his
books.
Later
on,
he
went
to
the
Morrill
Re
Armament
Center
in
Switzerland
to
study
Buckman
and
his
work
at
first
hand.
Thereafter,
he
went
there
most
years
over
a
10
year
period,
probably
because
he
enjoyed
the
company,
yet
still
Buckman
puzzled
him.
And
he's
talking
about
Frank.
Right?
He
has
no
charisma,
I
can
see.
He
isn't
good
looking.
He's
no
orator.
He
has
never
written
a
book,
and
he
seldom
even
leaves
a
meeting.
Yet
statesmen
and
great
intellects
come
from
all
over
the
world
to
consult
him,
and
a
lot
of
intelligent
people
have
slept
with
him
full
time
without
salary
for
years
when
they
could
have
been
making
careers
for
themselves.
Wow.
Life
changing,
soul
surgery,
a
a
mission,
a
pleasure
beyond
description.
When
we
talk
about
Buckman,
one
of
the
things
that's
really
important
to
do
is
is
to
understand
that
this
guy
at
one
time,
he's
on
a
bicycle.
He's
he's
he's
in
England,
and
he's
and
he's
riding
his
bike
at
night,
and
he
gets
struck
with
a
very,
very
loud
voice.
And
it
says,
you
will
be
made
you
will
help
to
remake
the
world.
Guy
was
45
years
old
at
the
time.
And
when
we
look
at
what
it
is
that
he
did
with
his
life,
you
have
to
understand
that
that's
what
he
was
doing.
Every
decision
he
made,
everything
that
he
tried
to
do
was
in
pursuit
of
that
vision
of
remaking
the
world.
What
it
was
that
The
Oxford
Group
taught
and
studied
isn't
anything
brand
new.
They
had
the
5
c's,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute,
the
4
absolutes.
They
recommended
reading
first
Corinthians,
chapter
13,
and
they
absolutely
insisted
on
quiet
time.
Absolutely.
And
in
fact,
when
you
take
a
look
at
the
our
literature,
and
and
what
it
is
that
the
people
that
what
was
important
to
early
AA
members,
it
wasn't
the
meeting.
It
was
getting
direction
of
god
from
god
on
how
to
how
to
approach
your
day.
It
was
the
quiet
time
and
the
sharing
of
their
stories
with
other
people.
The,
the
4
absolutes
were,
first
came
up
by
an
evangelist
by
the
name
of
Robert
Speer,
and
he
believed
that
if
you
took
the
New
Testament
and
all
the
teachings
of
Jesus,
but
more
specifically
the
Sermon
on
the
Mount,
that
there
were
4
absolutes
and
the
Oxford
group
really
referred
to
it
most
most
of
their
literature
as
as
as
standards
after
they
first
talk
about
these.
That
that
if
you
have
any
question
in
your
life,
any
conduct,
any
any
dilemma
at
all,
all
you
have
to
do
is,
is
it
loving
or
not?
Is
it
honest
or
not?
Is
it
pure
or
not?
Is
it
selfish
or
is
it
unselfish?
And
those
were
the
4
absolutes.
And
one
of
the
things
about
Corinthians
that,
which
is
the
the
great
thing
that
we
hear
at
weddings
when
we
go
to
weddings
and
sometimes
at
funerals
and
the
descriptions
Paul
has
above.
The
Oxford
group
believed
that
if
you
really
wanted
to
change,
that
what
you
would
do
is
is
that
you
take
that
passage
from
the
bible
and
that
if
you
read
it
every
day
for
30
days,
that
you
would
never
be
the
same
again.
And,
one
of
the
great,
twelve
step
stories
is
they
run
into
doctor
Bob
and
missus
Lumenitz.
He's
in
the
DC.
What
should
we
do
with
her?
And
he
says,
get
Henry
Drummond's
book,
which
is
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world,
which
is
still
available
in
in
in
any
Christian
bookstore.
Get
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world,
give
it
to
her,
and
have
her
read
it
every
day
for
30
days,
and
she'll
never
be
the
same
again.
Now
during
the
late
teens,
Buckman
is
going
back
and
forth
from
the
United
States
to
England,
and
he's
on
he's
on
a
he's
on
a
cruiser
cruise
liner
and
he's
talking
with
people
at
the
table.
And
one
of
the
things
that
happens
is
he's
talking
with
this
woman,
and
the
woman
says
to
him,
you
know,
she's
interested
in
this.
This
thing
about
about
being
a
life
changer,
about
about
having
something
in
her
life
that's
based
something
on
something
aside
from
herself.
And
she
said,
you've
gotta
if
if
you're
gonna
teach
me
this,
you've
gotta
break
it
down.
You've
gotta
make
it
really
simple
for
somebody
like
me.
And
so
Buckland
said,
okay.
And
the
next
morning
in
his
quiet
time,
what
he
came
up
with
was
what
we
called
what
he
called
the
5
c's.
And
the
first,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
read
or
do
read
the
24
hour
a
day
book?
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
the
last
the
last
5
days.
Remarkably,
it's
been
about
the
5
c.
The,
the
24
hour
day
book
is
actually
a
a
reworking
by
an
Oxford
Group
member,
Richard
Walker,
of
a
classic,
Oxford
Group
book
called
God
Calling.
And
like
almost
like
much
of
the
Oxford
Group,
material,
it
was
written
anonymously.
AJ
Russell
is
the
person
who
edited
it.
Wonderful
story
about
this
book
is
is
that,
these
2
women
sponsors
found
that
they
didn't
like
each
other,
these
2
English
women.
So
they
recommended
that
they
spend
their
quiet
time
together.
Hard
hearted
sponsors.
It's
a
long
lineage.
And
so
they
started
to
and
what
happened
is
that
when
you
would
spend
your
quiet
time,
one
of
the
things
they
recommended
was
because
the
old
Chinese
proverb
that
one
thing
that's
written
is
is,
is
more
powerful
than
the
strongest
memory.
They
would
always
recommend
so
that
you'd
remember
what
god
told
you
while
you're
sitting
there
is
that
you'd
write
down
what
it
is
that
you
heard
or
what
you
felt.
And,
so
these
gal
started
writing,
and
what
came
out
was
not
something
that
either
of
them
were
familiar
with
at
all.
And
it
was
it
was
almost
like
an
automatic
writing
and
they
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
And
AJ
Russell
was
an
Oxford
group
member
who
was
the
editor
of
the,
the
London
Daily
Mail's
religion
section.
And,
so
they
sent
him
off
to
him
and
he
he
took
a
look
at
it,
and
he
couldn't
believe
what
it
was.
And
so
what
they
did
is
is
that
they
published
it,
and
they
say
that
it's
by
2
listeners.
So
if
you
take
your
24
hour
a
day
book
and
you
go
down
to,
a
library
and
you
pick
up
God
Calling
by
AJ
Russell,
what
you'll
find
is
is
the
meditation,
the
prayer
for
each
day
the
the
meditation
for
each
day
actually
comes
from
this.
It's
reworded
a
little
bit
for
people
that
have
a
drinking
problem.
And
when
I
go
through
the
5
c's,
I'm
also
going
to,
refer
a
little
bit
to
it
in
that
fashion.
The
first
C
was
confidence,
that
there
must
be
a
connection
and
identification
of
depth
for
a
person
to
be
changed.
In
other
words,
that
I've
got
to
believe
who
you
are.
I've
got
to
believe
that
what
it
is
that
you're
telling
me
is
authentic.
I
have
to
be
able
to
have
confidence
that
you've
actually
had
the
change
that
you've
had,
and
that's
what
I
got
when
I
went
to
my
first
AA
meeting.
I
heard
people
speak
about
their
drinking
stories.
And
what
these
Oxford
group
members
would
is
they'd
tell
their
story.
The
second
thing
was
confession.
2nd,
cease
confession.
And,
Buckman's
lines
on
confession
were
when
you
when
you
heard
when
somebody
shared
their
story,
the
first
thing
was,
and
I
think
you
may
have
heard
this
from
a
few
sponsors
online,
never
betray
an
appearance
of
shocked
surprise.
If
you're
really
trying
to
help
somebody
through
a
5th
step,
be
ready
to
convince
your
own
shortcomings
honestly
and
bluntly
and
finally
keep
every
confidence
absolutely
sacred.
The
3rd
c
is
conviction.
And
what
the
what
the
Oxford
Group
people
would
say
is
that
a
person
the
person
that
you're
working
with
has
to
be
convicted
of
the
power
of
sin,
about
sin's
binding
power,
sin's
blinding
power,
and
sin's
deadly
power.
And
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
when
I
came
into
my
first
few
meetings
with
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
what
I
learned
was
alcohol's
binding
power
and
alcohol's
binding
power
and
its
deadly
power.
The
4th
is
conversion.
And
what
Buckman
described
conversion
as
was
it's
a
transaction
between
a
person,
soul,
and
god.
That
that's
what
conversion
is,
when
that
transaction
happens.
They
used
to
always
say
that
god
outside
of
us
is
a
theory.
God
inside
of
us
is
a
fact,
and
they
believe
that
no
one
could
go
through
these
set
of
steps,
work
through
these
5
c's,
and
not
have
an
experience
with
god.
They
viewed
this
stuff
as
absolutely
practical.
There
wasn't
anything,
you
know,
starry
eyed
or
or
that
this
was
cold,
hard,
fast.
One
of
the
great
conversion
experiences,
was,
in
William
James'
variety
of
religious
experience.
And
the
great
conversion
story
that's
in
there
is
about
a
guy
by
the
name
of
S.
H.
Hadley,
who
was
a
horrible
alcoholic
and
had
a
really,
really
bad
time.
And
this
is
and
you
wonder
what
was
it
in
that
book
that
got
got
Bill's,
Bill's
attention.
And,
the
way
that
it's
described
is
when
the
invitation
came,
I
knelt
down
with
a
crowd
of
drunkards.
I
halted
but
a
moment,
and
then
with
a
breaking
heart,
I
said,
dear
Jesus,
can
you
help
me?
Never
with
a
mortal
tongue
can
I
describe
that
moment?
I
felt
the
glorious
brightness
of
the
noonday
sun
shine
into
my
heart.
I
felt
a
free
man.
From
that
moment
till
now,
I
have
never
wanted
a
drink
of
whiskey.
I've
never
seen
enough
money
to
make
me
wanna
take
one.
I
promised
god
that
night,
if
he
would
take
away
the
appetite
for
strong
drink,
I
would
work
for
him
all
my
life.
He
did
his
part,
and
I'm
trying
to
do
mine.
And
then
the
5th,
of
the
c's
was
what
they
called
conservation.
Or
or
I'm
sorry.
Continuous.
Excuse
me.
And
and
what
that
meant
is
is
that
you
wanted,
as
soon
as
possible,
to
have
the
experience
be
vital
to
get
somebody
out
working
with
others.
Following
conversion,
the
new
convert
must
be
set
to
work
to
win
others.
He
should
understand
inevitably
the
means
of
his
own
spiritual
development
and
not
the
means
of
successfully
serving
others.
What
would
I
do
without
my
fabulous
wife,
Adele,
who
did
all
this
magnificent
work
for
us?
And
God
bless
her.
The
next
personality
that
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
is
Sam
Shoemaker.
Oh,
thank
you
so
much.
Sam
Shoemaker
was
the
was
the,
rector
at
Calvary
Chapel.
Frank
was
in
China
as
a
missionary
in
1918
when
Buckman
and
h
a
Walter
came
to
China
to
work
with
missionaries
about
this
vital
personal
work.
And
what
happened
is
that
he
hated
Buckman
from
the
beginning.
Who
is
this
guy?
Who
is
this
guy?
Running
around
telling
people
how
they
ought
to
do
stuff?
So
Buckman
comes
into
town,
and
Shoemaker
was,
was,
a
marvelous
marvelous
guy.
He
had
a
he
had
an
amazing
personality.
In
fact,
let
me
this
is
again
from,
Centers
Only.
This
is,
AG
Russell's
description
of
Sam
Shoemaker,
the
antithesis
of
Buckner.
Whenever
I
looked
at
him
squarely,
my
gaze
was
irresistibly
drawn
straight
to
those
magnetic
eyes
of
his,
those
eyes
that
were
always
bright
and
twinkling
merrily,
one
or
the
other
ever
closing
and
anon
in
that
impish
wink
one
comes
to
love
and
respect.
Get
near
to
Sam
and
you
at
once
feel
his
magnetic
personality.
His
happy
faith
and
contentedness
so
permeate
the
atmosphere
that
you
feel
it
unnecessary
for
Hoover
to
declare
the
depression
officially
at
end.
This
is
a
southern
boy
who
was
used
to
getting
his
way,
And,
and
he's
in
China
ain't
going
his
way.
And
this
guy,
the
life
changer
is
coming
into
town,
and
he
knows
that
Sam
knows
that
if
he
gets
this
one
guy,
that
that
guy,
if
he
can
change
him,
that
everybody
else
will
line
up,
that
he
can
really
have
some
success.
So
this
big
gun
comes
in.
He
says,
well,
why
don't
you
go
work
on
on
this
guy?
And
Bugler
looks
at
him
and
says,
what's
preventing
you
from
doing
this?
And
Sam
got
a
little
upset.
And
he
went
home
that
night.
He
was
just
furious,
but
he
saw
the
truth
in
it.
He
saw
that
he
had
never
completely
given
himself
to
God.
And
so
that
night,
in
1918,
he
gave
himself
the
next
morning
he
got
together
with
Buckman
and
he
shared
with
him
all
of
his
sins
and
all
the
things
that
he
had
done
that
he
felt
was
was
keeping
him
from
being
of
maximum
service
to
god
and
his
fellows.
And
the
most
interesting
thing
happened.
Sam
took
a
walk
with
the
man
and
the
man
decided
that
he'd
like
to
become
a
Christian.
And
from
that
time
on
what
happened
is
that
Sam
believed
that
working
with
Buckman
would
be
doing
that
kind
of
work
would
be
more
rewarding
than
anything
that
he
could
do.
So
they
went
out.
And
for
the
next
7
years,
they
went
all
over
the
world
together
into
South
Africa,
they
came
to
the
United
States,
they
went
to
South
America,
always
doing
this
what
they
call
personal
work.
In
1925,
Sam
was
an
Episcopalian
minister,
an
ordained
Episcopalian
minister
and
he
was
called
to
Calvary
Church
in
New
York.
And
so
he
left
and
went
and
established
himself
as
director
there
and
his
church
became
the
center,
the
clearinghouse
for
Oxford
Group
information
throughout
the
United
States.
And
one
of
the
things
that,
Sam
did
is
is
that
he
wrote
about
15
or
20
books
on
this
personal
work.
And
one
of
the
fun
things
that's
happened
of
late
is
that,
because
most
of
these
books
are
out
of
print
is
Bill
Pittman
and
Dick,
Dick
B,
Dick
Burns
got
together
and
we've
got
another
Courage
to
Change
book.
But
this
particular
one
is
a
compendium
of
quotes
from
a
lot
of
shoemaker's,
sermons
and
books
and
it's
a
great
fun.
Sam
was
looking
for
a
vehicle
to
bring
a
vibrancy
to
this
church
he
just
came
to.
And
there
was
a
property
that
was
down
in
the
Bowery
and
he
decided
that,
that
this
might
be
a
place
that
they
might
be
able
to
start
a
mission
for,
drunkards
and
and,
and
indigent
men.
And
god
sent
a
man
by
the
name
of
Harry
Hadley,
who
is
s
h
Hadley's
son,
who's
3
days
after
his
father's
death
had
had
a
conversion
experience.
And
Harry
Hadley
became
the
director
of
the
Calvary
Mission.
The
other
thing
about
Shoemaker
is,
is
that
he
was
known
by
everybody
as
somebody
because
of
his
personality
that
had
the
ability
to
make
people
comfortable.
He
was
able
to
express
his
own
spiritual
problems
well
enough
that
other
people
would
respond
in
time
and
want
to
share.
And
so
he
was
known
as
someone
who
was
very
good
at
bringing
people
to
Christ.
And
the
people
that
he
worked
with
were
Roland
Hazard,
Shep
Cornell,
Deborah
Gray,
Eddie
Thatcher,
and
Bill
Wilson.
He
was
the
man
who
taught
spiritual
principles
to
these
people,
principles
that
we
have
received,
you
know,
in
our
in
our
book,
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
Sam
also
was,
he
assembled
a
group
called
the
Businessman
team.
And
what
he
wanted
to
do
was
get
guys
from
Wall
Street,
major
investors
because
as
you
all
know
from
any
contract
with
New
Yorkers,
they
believe
that
they
are
the
center
of
the
universe.
And
he
figured
that
what
would
be
best
is
to
get
a
group
of
these
people
and
they
would
actually
go
out,
a
team
of
people
would
go
out
and
talk
about
spiritual
principles
in
business.
And
these
are
the
members
of
the
business
needs
team.
The
people
that
are
here,
Roland
Hazard,
Russell
Firestone,
Shep
Cornell,
DC
Kitchen
and,
were
actually
sober,
not
drinking
through
the
Oxford
Group
and
active
members
of
Calvary
Chapel
when
Bill
Wilson
was
released
from
town
hospital
to
last
time.
And
then
Charles
Kraft
junior
got
sober
just
about
the
same
time.
He
got
sober
just
a
few
months
after
Bill,
and
he
wrote
a
book
called
the
the
big
bender
that's
really
a
lot
of
fun.
What
it
is
that
Sam
had
was
this
talent
for
getting
people
to
share.
And
again,
what
he
was
trying
to
do
is
get
them
to
clear
away
the
wreckage
of
their
past
and
this
is
the
way
he
described
it.
We
can
hardly
resent
painting
our
sins
in
bright
colors
and
making
ourselves
heroes
and
heroines
of
the
great
spiritual
conflicts
we
have
fought.
Although
we
may
have
succumbed
to
sin
in
the
fight,
pride
is
better
as
a
serpent
and
can
enter
even
our
accusations
against
ourselves
giving
us,
although
we
may
not
acknowledge
it,
a
perverse
enjoyment
of
our
confession.
In
the
book,
what
is
the
Oxford
group,
they
describe
sharing
they
said
sharing
does
not
mean
divulging
in
discretions
that
involve
another
person
by
name.
It
means
confessing
our
part
in
sinning.
Placing
the
blame
on
others
and
making
excuses
for
our
weakness
is
not
sharing.
It
is
merely
negative,
selfish
cost.
Can't
it
be
a
nice
song
in
the
Ronald
said?
The
membership
has
dropped.
Again,
these
are
the
things
that
this
why
is
it
that
these
guys
are
attracted
to
this
guy?
This
is
what
Shoemaker
said
what
he
learned
from
quiet
time
when
he
was
looking
at
himself.
He
said,
I
discovered
4
things
which
needed
putting
right
in
my
life.
1,
there
was
a
person
who'd
wronged
me
who
I
would
not
forgive.
2,
there
was
restitution
that
I
would
not
make.
3,
there
was
a
doubtful
pleasure
which
I
would
not
give
up.
That's
before
the
Internet.
4,
there
was
a
sin
in
the
long
past
that
I
would
not
consent.
When
these
were
straightened
out,
I
not
only
came
into
new
power
and
release
but
for
the
first
time
I
began
to
get
daily
guidance
which
I
knew
could
be
relied
and
acted
upon
that
I
knew
could
be
relied
and
acted
upon.
Oh,
yeah.
This
is,
this
is
from,
his
book,
Twice
Born
Ministers.
But
this
is
a
professional
god
person
talking
about
his
problem.
That's
why
these
candidates
could
listen
to
him.
He
wants
to
ask
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
These
are
on
the
these
are
on
the
handout.
Now,
again,
when
it
comes
to
quiet
time,
this
is
what
Buckman
said
about
his
own
life
I'm
sorry.
Shoemaker
said
about
his
own
life.
He
said
that
there's
need
for
rededication
day
by
day,
hour
by
hour
by
which
progressively
in
every
quiet
time
the
contaminations
of
thin
and
cell
will
are
swept
off,
so
they
have
a
way
of
collecting.
And
we
are
kept
in
fresh
touch
with
the
living
spirit
of
god.
This
is
a
guy
who's
got
problems
like
me,
and
I
believe
that
it
was
these
expressions
that
allowed
our
forefathers
to
listen
to
him.
And
by
reading
his
stats,
and
what
happens
is
is
that
you
see
that
the
language
and
the
steps
and
the
things
that
we
practice
were
developed
by
these
spiritual
pioneers.
This
is
a
list
of
the
the
major
players
again.
Bill
Wilson
said
in
a
wonderful
talk
that
he
gave
that,
if
you
were
looking
for
the
start
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
we
could
start
2000
years
ago
with
the
birth
of
Christ
or
he
said
there
are
many
of
our
friends
who
would
even
push
it
back
further
than
that.
But
for
my
discussion
which
is
from
the
Oxford
Group
that
Frank
Buckman
is
the
person
who
carried
a
message
of
depth
and
weight
and
a
practical
application
of
spiritual
principles
to
mental
and
physical
and
psychological
problems
to
Sam
Shoemaker,
who
shared
these
with
Roland
Hazard
and
James
Newton.
Roland
Hazard
was
a
childhood
friend
of
Wilson.
James
Newton
was
an
Oxford
group
member
that,
that
carried
the
message
to,
Russell
Firestone
about
turning
turning
his
life
to
Christ.
Shep
Cornell,
was
one
of
the
men
who
was
sober
who
helped
Hazard
rescue
Ebby,
and
we'll
talk
about
that
later
about
the
when
we
do
the
long
form
of
the
Akron
Miracle.
We'll
talk
about
chef's
relationship
with
Ebby.
DC
Kitchen
was
was
sober
and
in
the
Oxford
group
at
Calvary
Chapel
when,
when
Bill
came
in
as
well
as
Abby
and
Roland.
The
reverend
Walter
Tunk,
who
we'll
see
in
a
couple
other
places,
he
was
the
Firestone
family
rector.
They
belong
to
the
Episcopal
Church
there
in,
in
Akron,
and
he
was
the
biggest
Oxford
Group
supporter.
He
was
the
guy
that
welcomed
Buckman
and
the
Oxford
Group
team
on
behalf
of
the
city,
when
they
made
their
visit
in
1933.
T.
Henry
Williams
and
his
wife,
Claire,
T.
Henry
was
the
developer
of
a
tire
molt
that
all
the
different
tire
companies
in
Akron
used
and
he
was
a
person
who
made
his
home
available
for
the
West
Hills
Oxford
group
meeting,
and
those
members
were,
Henrietta
Seiberling,
Robert
Holbrook
Smith,
Anne
Smith,
and
then,
of
course,
I've
got
up
there
our
friend
William
d
Silkworth,
who
was,
the
physician
at
Towne's
Hospital
and,
and,
of
course,
Bill
Wilson.
Now
the
last
thing
that
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
read
you
a
piece
from
of
Sam
Shoemaker's.
He
wrote
poetry.
It
was
one
of
the
things
that
he
liked
to
do.
And,
this
is
an
apologia
for
his
life,
and
it's
called
I
Stand
by
the
Door.
I
Stand
by
the
Door.
I
neither
go
too
far
in
nor
stay
too
far
out.
The
door
is
the
most
important
thing
in
the
world.
It
is
the
door
through
which
men
walk
when
they
find
God.
There's
no
use
my
going
way
inside
and
staying
there
when
so
many
are
still
outside
and
they,
so
much
as
I,
crave
to
know
where
the
door
is.
And
all
that
so
many
ever
find
is
only
the
wall
where
a
door
ought
to
be.
They
creep
along
the
wall
like
blind
men
with
outstretched
roping
hands,
feeling
for
a
door,
knowing
there
must
be
a
door
yet
they
never
find
it.
So
I
stand
by
the
door.
The
most
tremendous
thing
in
the
world
is
for
men
to
find
that
door,
the
door
to
god.
The
most
important
thing
any
man
can
do
is
to
take
hold
of
one
of
those
blind
groping
hands
and
put
it
on
the
latch.
The
latch
that
only
clicks
and
opens
to
that
man's
own
touch.
Men
die
outside
that
door,
starving
beggars
die,
on
cold
nights
and
cruel
cities
in
the
dead
of
winter,
die
for
the
want
of
what
is
it
within
their
grasp.
They
live
on
the
other
side
of
it,
live
because
they
have
not
found
it.
Nothing
else
matters
compared
to
helping
them
find
it
and
open
it
and
walk
in
and
find
him,
so
I
stand
by
the
door.
This
is
the
man
that
when
a
member
of
the
Oxford
Group
came,
Bill
Wilson,
who
was
being
accused
of
not
being
maximum,
of
not
being
involved
enough
in
going
out
to
change
American
business
because
he
had
an
obsession
with
helping
drunks
sober
up
against
the
group
conscience
of
all
of
his
friends
and
his
mentor,
said,
Bill,
you're
right.
Following
because
he
believed
that
Bill
would
be
able
to
put
people's
hands
on
the
door.
Thank
you.
I
will
be
happy
to
entertain
questions,
but
please
make
them
simple
enough
that
I
can
repeat
them
into
the
microphone
because
we're
being
recorded.
Yes?
I
don't,
but
our
web
our,
our
email
address
is
here,
and
we'll
be
happy
to
send
it
to
The,
the
book
list,
all
the
slides
all
the
way
we're
capturing
here
in
California,
and
the
the,
sources
are
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide
with
the
author
and
the
date.
Most
of
a
lot
of
it's
set
out
of
print.
The
stuff
that
that
is
in
print,
which
I
would
really
recommend
to
you,
is,
1st
and
foremost,
the
thing
that's
fired
me
up
or
the
thing
that's
originally
fired
me
up
the
most
was
I
Was
A
Pagan
by
VC
Kitchen,
but
that's
not
available.
But
a
really
fun
read
is
this,
I'm
sorry,
is
this,
what
is
the
Oxford
Group?
It's
got
a
this
is
brand
new,
from
Hazelden.
There's
a
reworking
of
it
and
kind
of
new
age
of
parlance
in
the
front
called
Practicing
the
Principles,
but
go
to
the
back
and
see
how
much
of
it
you
really
recognize
it.
It's
tremendous.
The
other
thing
that
I
found
you
and
I
could
talk
for
another
quite
a
bit
on
Buckman
is
this
book
called
On
the
Tail
of
the
Comet.
It's
by
Garth
Lean
and
the
best
place
to
get
it
actually
is
Amazon.
It's
not
available
much
in
bookstores.
It's
put
out
by
moral
rearmament.
And
just
another
little
aside
about
Buckland,
In
1957,
Morrow
and
Armament
teams
went
to
Littelbach,
and
they
showed
a
film
that
they
put
together
in
Africa
to
help
with
African
tribal
problems
to
the
National
Guard,
to
governor
Davis,
to
the
n
d
NAACP
people
and
all
these
different
groups
kind
of
one
at
a
time
and
what
it
did
is
it
changed
the
dynamic
of
the
city.
In
fact,
one
person
described
it
as
the
single
most
important
thing
that
had
happened
on
the
100th
anniversary
of
the
civil
war.
So,
anyway
but
it
all
kinds
of
just
amazing
amazing
things
to
hear
about
this
man
and
then
the
work
that
he
did.
Yeah.
What's
happened
to
the,
the
oh,
what
happened
to
the
Oxford
group?
The
Oxford
group
in
1938,
now
this
is
really
a
fun
thing.
The
Oxford
Group
described
themselves,
their
mission
is
to
solve
personal
national
and
international
problems
by
bringing
men
and
women
everywhere
back
to
Christian
principles.
In
1938,
as
the
2nd
World
War
is
starting
to
mount,
they
as
a
group
started
really
to
focus
on
politicians
and
countries
and
organizations
and
churches.
What
they
were
trying
to
do
is
work
through
the
hierarchical
system
to
try
and
effect
change,
and
they
became
moral
rearmament.
In
19,
38
sorry.
39.
Excuse
me.
There
was
a
split
between,
Shoemaker
and
Buckman
over
this
because
he
felt
that
they
were
no
longer
working
in
personal
religious
work
and
they
were
too
focused
on
international
and
that
wasn't
something
that
as
a
rector
or
as
a
churchman
that
he
felt
was
part
of
his
mission.
Yeah.
Oh,
yeah.
Oh,
what
is
the
The
question
is
what
is
it
that
Buckman
said
about
the
Nazis
that
infuriated
so
many
people?
Frank
is
on
a
liner
as
that's
where
you
travel,
and
he's
coming
back
from
England
or
he's
going
to
England.
And
this
guy
says
to
him,
he's
having
a
conversation
with
the
guy.
It's
not
on
the
record.
He's
a
press
guy.
And
he
says
that
he
does
not
believe
that
any
person
could
not
be
changed.
What
he
was
trying
to
do
was,
he
was
trying
to
get
Himmler
and
Hitler
and
all
of
the
superstructure
of
the
German
government
to
work
the
steps.
And
what
happened
is
he
said
in
an
offhanded
comment,
he
said,
I
thank
god
for
Adolf
Hitler
because
his
change
would
affect
so
many
others.
And
what
happened
was
is
the
sound
bite
comes
out,
Buckman
says,
thank
god
for
Hitler.
And
thank
you
for
that
question
because
it
allows
me
to
read
another
little
fun
thing
about
about
neuro
rearmament.
Now,
this
is
a
guy
who
was
vilified
by
everybody.
And
one
of
the
things
was
is
that
his
workers,
they
tried
to
keep
them
out
of
being
drafted
in
the
2nd
World
War
because
they're
busy
working
in
factories,
they're
working
with
management
and
labor
teams,
they're
trying
to
help
with
the
war
movement
as
far
as
production
and
things
go.
They
were
a
real
rah
rah
thing
about,
you
know,
people
working
together
and
there
was
a,
a
investigation
by
the
Selective
Service
Administration
and
it
noted
that
morally
armament,
the
next
the
evolutionary
name
of
the
Oxford
Group,
right,
drew
the
fire
equally
of
Nazis
and
communists,
of
the
extreme
right
and
extreme
left
in
politics,
of
aggressive
atheists
and
no
ecclesiastics.
It
had
been
charged
by
radicals
with
being
militaristic
and
by
war
mongers
with
being
pacifistic.
Certain
elements
of
labor
denounced
it
as
anti
union,
certain
elements
of
management
as
pro
union.
In
Britain,
the
report
went
on,
NRA
was
accused
of
being
a
brilliantly
clever
front
for
fascism.
In
Germany
and
Japan
of
being
a
super
intelligent
arm
of
the
British
and
American
Secret
Service.
One
day,
a
press
report
would
announce
that
MRA
was
defunct
and
the
next
day
that
it
numbered
nearly
the
entire
membership
of
the
British
cabinet
at
the
time
of
Munich
and
was
responsible
for
engineering
Hitler's
attack
upon
Russia.
Nothing
concludes
the
analysis
but
a
potentially
vast
moral
and
spiritual
reformation
of
global
proportions
could
possibly
be
honored
by
antagonisms
so
venomous
and
contradictory
in
character
and
so
worldwide
in
scope.
Yeah.
Well,
the
question
is
what
happened
to
Ebby.
That's
really
not
what
the
purpose
of
this
talk
is
about.
But
as
I
understand
it,
we
have
to
remember
that
these
people
that
got
sober
in
the
Oxford
group
did
not
have
sobriety
dates
like
we
know
them,
and
people
drink.
And,
when
people
drink,
bad
stuff
happens.
And
he
had
a
hard
time
in
in
staying
sober.
And
whether
he
was
pushed
out
of
AA
or
whatever,
anything
that
I've
ever
read
or
seen
and
especially
when
you
read
the
stuff
about
that,
there's
a
wonderful
book
by
Nel
Wing
called
Privilege
to
Have
Been
There,
and
she
talks
about
how
heartbreaking
it
was
for
Bill
when
Eddy
showed
up.
And
he
always
had
given
money.
They're
always
trying
to
do
whatever
he
could
because
he
believed
that
Eddie
saved
his
life.
That's
what
I
know
about
about
it.
You
know,
he
later
got
silver,
and
and
I
believe
he
died
in
Texas.
Silver.
And
he
died
so
He's
written
a
note
by
Lois.
Okay.
And
he's
written
about
by
Lois
and
Lois,
remembers.
And
there's
also
a
new
biography
that's
come
out,
and
I
haven't
read
it
yet
about,
it's
called
I
think
Mel
B
in
fact,
I'm
sure
Mel
B
wrote
it.
So
it's
available
probably
through.
Yes,
Brent?
Yes.
Yes.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The
next
the
next
talk
tomorrow
will
be
on
the
we've
had
a
long
story
for
me,
what
I
call
the
Akron
Miracle.
And
we'll
start
at
1907
and
we'll
go
all
the
way
through
and
doctor
Young
will
be
but
he
wasn't
an
Oxford
group
member.
So
that's
that's
why
he
we
wouldn't
talk
about
him
today.
Yes,
sir.
I
read
that,
The
question
is,
was
Oxford
University
not
wanting
them
to
use
the
name
Oxford
Group,
the
reason
that
they
changed
the
name,
that
was
an
ongoing
problem
always.
It
was
more
something
that
they
were
called
than
something
that
they
professed
to
be
themselves
and
then
later
it
was
just
that
people
knew
them
as
that.
But
really
when
they
changed
to
moral
rearmament,
it
was
actually
in
response
to
Buckman's
working
with
a
socialist
leader
who
the
way
that
he
described
it
is,
is
that
as
all
these
nations
are
arming,
that
the
only
thing
that's
going
to
save
the
world
from
Armageddon
is
moral
rearmament,
and
these
4
steps
will
allow
us
to
do
that.
Yep.
The
question
is,
did
Bill
maintain
his
relationship
with
Morrill
Yarmament
as
you
went
by?
No.
In
fact,
one
of
the
things
that's
real
interesting,
like,
we
all
know
about
what
happened
in
Akron
where
Clarence
said,
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting
in,
in
Cleveland,
and
it's
for
alcoholics
only.
No
Oxford
group
members.
And,
and
there
was
some
fist
fights
that
broke
out
among
those
kind
and
tolerant
Christians,
and
that's
a
serious
stuff.
And
what
yeah.
The
the
OG
members
actually
drove
up
and
tried
to
crash
the
meeting
in
Cleveland.
It
was
really
fun.
But
so
we
know
about
that,
but
really
what
happened
in
New
York
was
is
that
is
that
Bill
was
pushed
out
of
the
group
because
he
wouldn't
follow
the
guidance
of
the
group
regarding
what
it
should
be.
There's
there's
stuff
that
we've
got
about
about
Derek
Thiele
and
Buckman,
sitting
down
and
working
personally
with
Bill
and
Lois
about
you
got
to
get
off
this
alcoholic
stuff.
We've
got
drunken
nations
to
take
care
of.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
drunken
people.
One
of
the
things
that
said
about
why
it
was
that
Gutman
wasn't
that
interactive
was
that
he'd
been
working
with
drunks
all
of
his
all
of
his
ministry,
and
he
found
them
rather
easy
to
convert
compared
to
normal
people.
And
he
thought
that
it
was
much
more
and
he
kept
saying
to
Bill,
you're
you're
you're
a
millionaire.
You
know,
you're
somebody.
You
know,
your
testimony,
your
conversion
experience
could
help
us
with
American
business.
Why
are
you
worried
about
these
drones?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I,
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
over
this
book
and
and
get
it
to
you
guys.
I
came
across
the
book
as
well.
Yeah.
I
talked
about
the
Oxford
book.
And,
I
think
I
just
wanna.
I
kinda
got
the
impression
from
there
that,
that
one
of
the
tenants
of
the
auction
was
that,
that
should
take
a
balance
of
the
COVID
that's
been
delivered.
But,
the
alcoholic
needed
to
accept
these.
And
that
that
was
kind
of
a
that's
one
of
the
things
that,
don't
look
to
have
a
vote
for
that.
And,
and
and
where
they
kind
of
didn't
What
what
what
what
what
Byron
was
was
was
commenting
on
was
is
that,
you
know,
the
drunk
had
problems
with
accepting
Jesus
and
the
Oxford
Group
was
a
Christian
movement.
And
one
of
the
interesting
things
at
least
from
the
way
that
I
was
exposed
to
it
is
that
they
really
were
all
that
interested
in
drugs.
I
mean
they
were,
but
it
really
didn't
matter.
Their
focus
was
the
world
and
lots
of
different
people
And
we
just
weren't
that
large
of
a
group
for
them
to
be
concerned
or
try
to
work
their
things
on.
But,
yes,
Bill,
when
he
wrote
the
steps,
made
sure
that
everybody
could
come
in.
And,
one
of
the
great
things
that
Sam
Shoemaker
talked
about
in
his,
in
his
piece
on
the
12
steps
as
I
understand
them
was
how
it
was
that
Bill
wrote
the
steps
so
that
everyone
could
come
in
and
everybody
could
help.
Yeah.
You
can
become
a
member
today
if
you
wish.
Are
they
the,
the
the
question
is
is
is
moral
rearmament
still
in
existence
today?
It
is.
They
have
a
they
have
an
office
in
Washington
and
they
have
one
in
in
London
and
I
and
I
they
may
have
one
in
Canada
also.
But,
yes,
they
they
still
are
out
and
about
and
they
still
are
working.
When
you
read
on
the
tale
of
a
comment
or
any
of
the
other
commentaries
about
the
group,
you
know,
they're
still
functioning
basically
trying
to
do
the
same
thing,
which
is
to
get
people
to
use
spiritual
principles,
not
only
in
their
personal
life,
but
in
their
political
life.
Yeah.
The
question
is,
did
Sam
Shoemaker
go
back
to
China
and
was
he
fluent
in
Chinese?
I
don't
know
if
he
was
fluent
in
Chinese
or
not.
He
probably
had
some
rudimentary,
knowledge
of
it
just
because
in
order
to
go
and
work
as
a
missionary,
you
need
to
you
need
to
do
that.
After
1918,
I'm
not
sure
I
can't
tell
you
for
sure,
but
during
that
7
year
period,
they
went
around
the
world
a
few
times.
And
I'm
sure
that
they
probably,
they
probably
I
know
Buckman
was
that
was
not
accepted.
Anything
else?
Thank
you
so
very
much.
We've
got