Primary Purpose on Saturday morning at the Primary Purpose Weekend in Camp Hill, PA
My
name's,
Chris
Raymer.
I'm
a
recovered
alcoholic.
Hi,
Raymer.
I,
I
wanna
kinda
pick
up
where
Myers,
left
off,
kinda
focus
in
a
little
bit
on
this
primary
purpose
piece.
Some
of
the
great
feedback
we've
had,
already,
stimulates
a
lot
of
thought.
Peter's
gonna
share
a
little
bit
after
I
do,
and
then
we're
gonna
get
some
questions
from
up
here
on
the
podium,
and,
and,
that
ought
to
be
interesting.
So
you
guys,
you
know,
you
jot
down
some
questions
that
you'll
do
like
me
and
you'll
forget.
I
know
I've
I've
been
having
senior
moments
since
I
was
35.
You
know,
it's
just
it
goes
in
one
area.
This
I
introduced
myself
as
a
recovered
alcoholic
today
for
a
reason.
And,
some
of
y'all
were
were
commenting
on
that
last
night.
I
I
understand,
the
the
party
line
BS
coming
out
of
treatment
is,
of
course,
that
we'll
always
be
recovering.
And,
I
get
people
all
the
time
that
says,
well,
to
introduce
yourself
as
a
recovered
alcoholic
is
sounds
pretty
arrogant.
You
know,
from
a
for
a
newcomer,
it
sounds
pretty
hopeful.
We
take
a
lot
of
shots,
we,
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
takes
a
lot
of
take
a
lot
of
shots
out
there
because
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous'
inability
or
just
not
wanting
to
take
responsibility
for
the
message
that's
being
carried
out
there.
Early
days
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
there
were
people
that
introduced
themselves
as
recovered
alcoholics.
I
wanna
explain
real
quick
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I
have
alcoholism
and
and,
I
will
die
with
alcoholism.
Y'all
understand
it?
But
as
a
result
of
working
the
12
steps
and
continued
work
in
in
this
business,
continued
carrying
the
message,
continued
prayer
and
meditation,
4th
and
5th
steps,
night
review.
My
disease
has
been
placed
in
remission.
2
weeks
after
I
got
to
this
fellowship,
I
had
a
spiritual
experience
that
changed
me
forever.
My
obsession
to
drink
lifted
between
the
4th
5th
step.
I'd
had
a
completed
4th
step
ready
to
go,
ready
to
dump
a
5th
step,
and
the
obsession
to
drink
lifted.
That
was
17
years
ago.
Now
folks,
I
gotta
tell
you
something,
that's
as
recovered
as
you're
gonna
get.
I
mean,
we
we
we
I
work
in
an
industry
that
wants
to
keep
us
sick.
I
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
because
I
know
a
lot
of
y'all
are
products
of
treatment
centers,
and
and
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
treatment
centers.
I
understand
that
for
many
of
us,
being
physically
separated
for
the
chemical
needed
to
be
away
locked
up.
And
and,
I
just
I
see
so
many
people
that
could
never
get
sober
any
other
way,
they
finally
sober
that
way.
And
so
I
know
that
there's,
excuse
me,
some
benefits
from
it.
But
the
message
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous,
in
in
in
the
sixties
seventies,
early
sixties
seventies,
we
we
had
a
a
thing
in
this
country
called
a
certificate
of
need.
In
other
words,
you
couldn't
open
a
treatment
center
unless
you
could
produce
us
this
certificate
that
said
that
that
your
area
needed
it.
Y'all
y'all
follow
us?
And
then
legislature
got
involved
in
big
business,
got
involved
in
hospitals
who
were
showing
very
slagging
sales,
you
know,
got
involved.
And
all
of
a
sudden,
that
law
was
repealed.
And
so
what
happened
is
that
every
Tom,
Dick
and
Harry
that
came
down
the
pipe
that
decided
they
wanted
to
open
a
treatment
center
could
do
that.
If
you
had
a
little
money
backing
you,
you
could
open
a
treatment
center.
Now,
of
course,
you
know,
you
gotta
come
up
with
something
new,
so
people
come
to
your
treatment
center.
So
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
move
beyond
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
And
now
we're
gonna
start
using
lots
of
other
therapeutic
techniques
and
psychodrama
and
and
inner
child
work,
and
we're
gonna
do
a
lot
of
And
a
lot
of
it
was
good
stuff.
We
learned
a
lot
of
stuff,
cool
cool
things
from
that.
And,
but
we
didn't
get
sober.
I
mean,
it
was
a
drag.
And
so,
there
was
a
period
of
time
Some
of
y'all
have
heard
me
talk
about
this,
and
I
think
it's
important.
There
was
a
period
of
time,
with
towards
the
late
seventies
when
you
could
start
seeing
drop
off
rates
in
the
United
States
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
I
mean,
we
can
talk
about
this
in
our
prefaces.
We
show
this
great
When
the
when
the
prefaces
of
the
second
edition
was
was
in
1955,
we
had
success
success
success
rate
in
the
United
States
right
around
75%.
And
and
and
after
that
it
began
to
dwindle.
You're
with
us?
As
a
direct
result
of
all
of
these
other
people
feeding
information
into
our
fellowship.
Y'all
you're
down
with
that?
And
a
lot
of
this
information
was
incorrect
information,
but
we
set
as
a
fellowship
and
allowed
it
to
come
into
our
fellowship,
and
it
became
norm
that
you
can
never
recover,
that
you
will
always
be
recovering,
you
will
always
be
sick.
I'm
gonna
tell
you,
trust
me,
they
don't
want
you
to
get
well.
I
want
you
to
come
to
treatment
and
spend
a
big
chunk
of
change.
I
would
rather
you
come
back
to
treatment
4
or
5
times
than
spend
a
big
chunk
of
change.
You're
down
with
that?
Insurance
companies
in
the
early
nineties
got
sick
and
tired
of
paying
for
a
lot
of
these
treatments.
Treatment
in
the
19
eighties,
average
treatment
stay
cost
you
about
30
to
$40,000
Easy.
Treatment
centers
were
I
mean,
million
errors
were
being
made
daily
out
of
the
treatment
center
industry.
Insurance
companies
were
paying
like
slot
machines.
Insurance
companies
got
tired
of
paying
because
because
they
began
to
see
that
we
were
getting
this
this
relapse
rate
was
unbelievable,
and
so
they
stopped
paying.
Almost
overnight,
all
the
treatment
centers
went
out
of
business.
In
1993
alone,
there
was
over
600
treatment
centers
in
the
United
States
that
went
belly
up.
Pits
up.
Out
of
business.
No
more.
Big?
Was
it
because
we
didn't
need
the
treatment
centers?
No.
We
needed
every
single
one
of
them.
The
bottom
line
was
nobody
could
make
money
in
treatment
anymore
because
the
people
weren't
getting
sober.
Y'all
y'all
with
me?
So
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
taking
shots
at
treatment
centers.
Their
damn
treatment
centers
almost
ruined
our
fellowship.
I
agree.
But
I
wanna
tell
you
this,
Alcoholics
Anonymous
rolled
over.
Alcoholics
Anonymous
allowed
it
to
happen.
When
all
of
us
coming
from
treatment
walked
into
these
meetings
and
started
talking
about
our
inner
child,
we
let
them.
When
they
started
coming
in
talking
about
Gorski,
by
God,
relapse
prevention
crap.
Here's
the
word
folks,
triggers.
We
let
them.
Ain't
that
right?
Yeah.
And
now
and
now
we're
paying
the
price.
Because
a
lot
of
these
people
that
went
to
those
treatment
centers
and
got
sober,
that
weren't
even
alcoholics,
they're
they're
sitting
in
meetings,
and
they're
the
ones
that
are
giving
the
little
big
book
comers
a
hard
time
today,
because
we're
trying
to
bring
the
message
of
of
of
hope
back
to
the
newcomer.
You
think
you've
got
nothing
to
share
with
with
a
newcomer
that
bring
them
hope
with
with
a
couple
of
weeks
of
sobriety
under
your
belt?
You've
worked
the
steps,
and
and
you've
and
you've
you've
you've
had
this
spiritual
experience.
Introduce
yourself
as
a
recovered
alcoholic
and
give
those
people
some
hope.
I'm
gonna
tell
you
something.
That's
the
that's
the
one
thing
I
guarantee
I
can
soapbox
longer
and
harder
than
anything
else.
This
idea
that
we
were
all
sick
peep
we're
just
sick
people
trying
to
get
well.
In
in
2
years,
you'll
come
back
into
the
same
meeting.
We're
just
sick
people
trying
to
get
well.
When
are
we
gonna
get
well?
What?
Is
it
any
wonder
that
we
can't
keep
the
young
adults
in
our
meetings?
Who
in
the
hell
at
19
years
old
wants
to
come
into
a
room
full
of
people
saying,
I'm
just
powerless,
powerless
over
people,
places,
and
things.
I
I
I
wanna
puke.
I
just
wanna
puke.
I
said
it
last
night.
I'll
say
it
today.
I
am
not
powerless
over
people,
places,
and
things.
I
am
powerless
over
the
outcome.
I
don't
know
what's
gonna
happen
tonight.
Y'all
down
with
that?
But
I
can
guarantee
you
this,
I
can
make
some
some
some
logical
judgments
based
on
an
awakened
spirit.
Peter
talked
about
it
last
night.
This
idea
that
when
we
have
this
spiritual
experience,
folks,
it's
not
that
all
of
a
sudden,
you
know,
we're
gonna
be
little
sunbeams
for
Jesus
and
everything's
gonna
change.
It's
that
our
spirit
and
that
may
happen
to
you.
I'm
not
knocking
that,
but
I'm
saying
our
spirits
awaken.
Our
spirits
awaken
to
the
day.
You
see?
We
awaken
to
the
people
around
us
and
what's
going
on.
We
we
begin
to
develop
an
an
intuitive
thought
process
where
whereas
a
person
can
come
in
the
room
and
we
gotta
do
is
look
at
them
and
know
they're
in
a
bad
spot.
You
know
what
I
was
saying?
Before,
I
couldn't
see
that
because
I
was
so
turned
into
myself.
Myers
puts
it
more
eloquently
than
me,
but,
you
know,
I
spent
most
of
my
life,
most
of
my
adult
life
for
sure,
with
my
head
firmly
planted
right
up
my
butt.
Is
it
a
wonder?
You
know,
I
just
feel
like
life's
passing
me
by.
It
it
is.
It
is.
Jeez.
I
mean,
I
got
I
got
sober,
and
all
of
a
sudden,
I
mean,
you
know,
I
had
this
awakening,
and
it's
like,
all
of
a
sudden,
look
at
those
flowers.
Will
you?
Look
at
smell
that
air,
you
know,
and
it's
just
the
little
stuff.
You
get
to
see
the
architecture
and
you
get
to
see
the
cool
people
and
have
absolute
friendships
again.
And
it's
like
it's
it's
a
it's
a
cool
thing.
And
you
start
talking
about
this
in
most
groups.
We're
laughing
about
it,
but
you
go
in
most
groups
and
start
talking
about
this
awakened
spirit,
they're
gonna
ridicule
you.
Why
don't
we
talk
about
what
the
newcomer
can
really
understand?
Hurt.
I
I
don't
know.
I
I
wanna
get
us
all
on
the
same
page
here
because
I
because
I
wanna
mention
some
stuff.
One
of
the
things
that,
the
the
people
at
Alcoholics
Anonymous
never
did
for
me,
and
I
will
I'll
talk
more
about
it,
this
afternoon,
is
qualify
me,
to
to
find
out
once
and
for
all
if
I
was
truly
an
alcoholic
or
not.
Maybe
I
was
an
addict
or
or
or
not
or
or
both.
You
know,
we
we
need
to
find
out.
In
in
the
hospitals
that
I'm
associated
with,
we
we
really
try
to
make
sure
that
the
newcomer
knows
that
because
I
think
it's
important.
They
asked
me
at
my
first
meeting,
Chris,
do
you
have
problems
with
alcohol?
Uh-huh.
Welcome.
You
know,
and
I
remember
sitting
down,
like,
I've
just
been
slapped.
It's
like,
what
what
is
that?
I
mean,
everybody
has
problems
with
alcohol,
don't
they?
You
know
what
it
is
like?
I
can't
I
can't
There's
a
difference
between,
as
I
said
last
night,
having
problems
with
alcohol
and
being
an
alcoholic.
One
is
going
to
be
problematic
for
a
period
of
time,
then
you're
gonna
outgrow
it
and
go
have
a
nice
life.
The
other
is
gonna
be
problematic
for
a
while,
and
then
you're
gonna
die.
I
mean,
it's
fatal.
It's
progressive
and
chronic,
and
we
and
we
gotta
help
the
newcomer
find
out
what
it
is.
Because
once
you
have
a
first
step
experience,
once
you
understand
the
physical
allergy
and
the
mental
obsession
and
the
spiritual
malady
that
the
book
talks
about,
you're
not
gonna
have
a
problem
finishing
these
steps.
I
I
talked
to
somebody
and
says,
well,
you
know,
I'm
having
trouble
with
these
amends.
How
long
you've
been
working
on
them?
Oh,
you
know,
a
few
years.
You're
not
having
trouble
with
the
amends.
You're
having
trouble
with
the
first
step.
Because
obviously
you
think
you've
got
some
power
around
this
crap.
Y'all
with
this?
Every
step
that
you're
stumped
I
love
it
when
they
come
to,
I'm
having
trouble
with
this
God
stuff.
No,
you're
not.
You're
having
trouble
with
the
first
step
experience.
You
don't
think
you're
really
one
of
us.
Do
you
think
for
a
second
that
you've
got
a
you've
got
a
you've
got
a
a
disease
that's
gonna
kill
you,
right?
And
God
is
your
solution.
The
spiritual
in
and
out,
in
and
out.
It's
not
about
not
understanding
this
or
not
understanding
that.
It's
about
you
don't
understand
the
first
step.
And
once
you
have
this
first
step
experience
and
understand,
are
you
really
one
of
us?
You
will
finish
this
work
and
do
it
like
the
book
said,
rapidly.
This
is
a
theme
that
we're
gonna
talk
about
all
day
long.
The
number
one,
mistake
we
make
in
our
fellowships
today,
the
number
one
thing
I
I
I
hear
people
come
out
of
their
mouth
saying
that
kills
more
alcoholics
than
anything
else
is,
take
your
time
to
work
the
steps.
And
we've
gotta
stop
that.
Our
primary
purpose
is
to
carry
the
message
of
hope
to
the
newcomer.
Our
service
structure
is
built
on
this
idea
that
we
have
one
message
to
carry.
What's
that
message?
Working
the
12
steps.
I
I
I
got
a
fatal
illness.
Why
in
the
hell
do
I
wanna
take
my
time
to
work
those
steps?
That's
a
cop
out.
That
was
that
was
treatment
center
crap.
That's
where
it
came
from.
Early
days
of
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
Well,
I'm
just
I'm
gonna
tell
you
right
now.
Bill
Wilson
was
was
was
9
days
in
town's
hospital,
still
detoxing,
when
he
had
his
barn
burning
spiritual
experience.
Evie's
working
him
through
the
steps
when
he
has
his
white
light
experiencing
Townes
Hospital.
Y'all
down
with
that?
Doctor
Bob,
couple
of
weeks,
worked
the
steps.
Bill
b,
couple
of
weeks
to
work
the
steps.
First
guys
in
Outlawless
Anonymous,
all
of
them,
worked
the
steps
within
a
within
within
the
first
30
days.
They
didn't
even
bring
them
to
meetings,
for
heaven's
sakes,
until
they
had
done
a
3rd
step
prayer
because
they
had
nothing
to
share.
And
we're
sitting
in
in
in
in
meetings
watching
newcomers
come
in
and
sit.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Give
me
your
little
phone
number.
Welcome,
newcomer
packet.
Well,
you
keep
welcome.
And
they're
dying.
We're
just
spinning
our
wheels
with
these
guys.
You
know?
We
need
to
be
grabbing
them
by
the
neck
and
jerking
them.
But
you
buddy,
you
got
a
sponsor?
You
ready
to
work
these
steps?
Let's
qualify
you.
Let's
get
you
let's
get
you
to
business.
We
gotta
get
you
to
God.
We
gotta
get
you
to
God
quick
because
I
can't
fix
what's
wrong
with
you.
Treatment
Centers
made
us
believe
that
people
around
us
could
help
us.
The
book
says
self
knowledge
availed
us
nothing.
Isn't
that
what
it
says?
If
if
knowledge
would
fix
us,
why
do
I
have
a
hospital
down
there
in
Kerrville
with
with
with
a
100
patients
in
there,
most
of
them
with
multiple
degrees
in
their
pocket?
Why
do
we
treat
so
many
clergymen?
Why
do
we
treat
so
many
doctors
and
psychiatrists?
These
are
all
intelligent
people
because
self
knowledge
avails
them
nothing.
Knowing
about
this
disease
is
not
going
to
fix
you.
How
how
are
you
gonna
learn
about
sex?
You
gonna
go
do
it
or
you
gonna
go
read
a
book?
I
spent
more
years
than
I
care
to
think
about
reading
books.
Finally,
in
19
early
early
on,
I
guess
I
was
about
18,
pushing
19
years
old.
Some
little
pantry
girl
up
at
the
end
of
the
hills,
had
mercy
on
me
and
and
and
Bless
her.
Bless
every
woman
that
ever
had
pity
on
some
schmuck.
Okay.
Here.
Page
62.
Turn
to
it
real
quick.
If
you
got
your
books.
Some
of
you
don't
have
this
marked.
The
book
says
that
I
don't
have
a
choice
whether
I'm
gonna
drink
or
not,
folks.
And
we
go
into
treatment
and
they
spend
30
days
trying
to
explain
to
us
how
alcohol
and
drugs
are
our
problem.
You
down
with
that?
Page
62,
it
says
selfish
and
self
centeredness,
that
we
think
is
the
root
of
our
troubles.
Driven
by
a
100
forms
of
fear,
self
delusion,
self
seeking,
and
self
pity.
We
step
on
the
toes,
and
they
retaliate.
Sometimes
without
provocation,
but
seemingly
without
provocation,
but
we
invariably
find
that
at
some
time
in
our
past,
we've
made
decisions
based
on
self,
which
latest
play
later
later
placed
us
in
a
position
to
be
hurt.
So
our
troubles,
we
think,
are
basically
of
our
own
making.
Y'all
with
us?
They
arise
out
of
ourselves,
and
the
alcohol
is
an
extreme
example
of
self
will
run
riot.
Selfish
and
self
centeredness,
exclamation
point.
That,
we
think,
is
the
root
of
our
troubles.
Guys,
I'm
around
AA
for
7
years
and
nobody
read
that
to
me.
They
said
alcohol
is
the
trouble.
We're
gonna
show
you
some
tricks
to
stay
away
from
the
alcohol
so
you
can
stay
sober.
Avoid
your
triggers.
You
with
us?
Had
had
a
guy
this
week
come
and
says,
I
go
to
the
same
beer
joint
every
day
after
work.
You
know
what
the
what
the
solution
was?
Go
home
a
different
way.
Hot
damn.
Why
didn't
I
think
of
that?
That's
unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
And
I
think
it's
good
stuff
to
teach
early
in
sobriety.
These
are
all
tricks
that'll
help
you
stay
sober.
That's
great.
But
if
you're
depending
on
these
little
tricks,
these
little
parlor
games
to
keep
you
sober
the
rest
of
your
life,
you're
gonna
die.
Guys,
my
deal
with
you
guys
is
is
is
what
doesn't
trigger
me?
No,
really.
My
buddy
Eddie
out
in
San
Diego,
you
know,
he
he
he
says,
Chris,
I
finally
come
up
with
the
with
the
with
the
with
the
with
the
perfect
trigger,
the
all
inclusive
trigger.
It's
called
consciousness.
Because
isn't
it
the
truth?
It
is
well,
just
I
mean,
when
didn't
I
dream?
What
doesn't
remind
me
of
dope?
What
does
I
mean,
this
is
ridiculous.
The
only
thing
that's
gonna
save
me
is
get
taken
to
a
place
where
the
obsession
to
drink,
the
desire
to
drink,
is
removed.
And
I'm
around
AA
for
7
years
and
I
don't
think
that'll
ever
happen.
I'm
not
even
looking
for
that
because
I
think
it's
absurd
because
everybody
keeps
trying
to
teach
me
tricks
to
just
stay
away
from
it.
And
that's
why
in
1987,
it
was
like
it
was
suicide
time
for
me.
It
was
time
to
take
a
bottle
of
pills
because
I
didn't
think
there
was
anything
that's
gonna
ever
work.
I
don't
seem
to
have
the
willpower
that
you
people
have.
I
see
y'all
staying
sober,
but
I
can't
do
it.
I
didn't
understand
that
those
people
were
actually
working
the
12
steps
and
doing
some
work.
And
the
miracle
was
taking
place
in
them.
See,
the
primary
purpose
that
was
supposed
to
be
shared
with
me
for
7
years
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous
was
never
shared.
And
I
gotta
tell
you,
these
tapes,
these
CDs,
they
travel
around
the
country
and
people
hear
this,
and
that
that
statement
I
just
made
pisses
people
off
every
time.
Everybody
wants
to
put
the
responsibility
back
on
the
newcomer.
Well,
he
just
didn't
want
it.
He
just
wasn't
ready.
Guys,
that
may
be
true
in
some
instances,
I'm
gonna
tell
you.
But,
I
mean,
I
remember
the
times
that
I
came
into
Alcoholics
Anonymous
in
the
early
eighties
and
really
wanted
to
stay
sober,
really
needed
to
stay
sober.
But
but
I
I
just
I
couldn't
do
it
because
we
were
so
busy
sitting
in
these
meetings
talking
about
every
other
thing
in
the
world
except
our
primary
purpose,
except
the
steps.
We
talk
about
the
problems
until
the
cows
come
home.
This
afternoon,
when
I
get
a
shot
at
you,
I'm
we're
gonna
spend
some
time
talking
about
this
pissing
and
moaning
stuff.
We're
gonna
spend
some
time
talking
about
these
war
story
stuff.
It's
gonna
be
my
little
love
hour.
Right
after
lunch.
I'm
with
you.
I'm
with
you.
I'm
with
you.
John,
you
know,
and
it's
like
there's
so
many
of
us
in
this
room
that
that
are
on
the
same
page.
But
we
walk
out
there,
and
and
everybody
wants
to
take
shots
at
us.
So
I'm
just
here
I'm
just
here
to
say,
I
was
talking
to
somebody,
and
I'm
I'll
shut
up
and
get
down
and
let
Peter
share
with
you
a
minute.
One
of
the
things
that
my
sponsor
taught
me
early
on
is
that
I
don't
have
to
defend
the
big
book.
And
a
lot
of
you
guys,
again,
you
think
this
is
a
battle
out
there
in
our
rooms,
and
I
know
it
seems
like
that.
But
you
you
guys
are
you
guys
are
carrying
the
message
of
hope.
You're
carrying
the
clear
message
out
of
the
book.
Our
tradition
that
Myers
read
this
morning
that
we
just
talked
about,
our
primary
purpose
is
to
carry
the
message
to
the
alcoholic
who
still
suffers.
That's
our
primary
purpose.
The
message
is
not
what
you
can
do
with
your
babysitter,
or
what
you
can
do
with
your
divorce,
or
what
you
need
to
do
with
your
4
0
0fucking
1
k.
I
don't
know.
I
I
I
I
don't
know.
But
but
it
is
not
it
is
not
that
other
stuff.
Those
are
all
outside
issues.
The
book
does
not
need
to
be
defended.
It
is
crystal
clear.
We
have
our
marching
orders.
Whether
you
have
the
responsibility
to
follow
those
orders
is
beside
the
point.
If
you
want
to,
great.
If
you
don't
want
to,
that's
fine
too.
Go
away.
That's
cool.
No
nobody's
feelings
are
gonna
be
hurt.
Alcoholics
Anonymous
is
not
the
only
way
to
get
sober.
There
are
people
getting
sober
everyday,
one
way
or
not.
I
don't
know.
I
tried
colonics
one
time.
I
I
got
real
regular
for
a
while,
but
I
kept
drinking.
You
know
what
I'm
saying?
The
easier
softer
way
for
me
was
the
12
step.
Here,
Peter.
Go.