The 12th annual CA convention in Bournemouth, UK

primary purpose thank you

thanks guys have sloughed

welcome welcome I can't really believe in this many guys that would come back to this after last night as amazing thank

use of six boys and girls

we'll try to go about eighty minutes and I want to kind of cover some stuff talking about the first step in talking about primary purpose and I want to thank you guys I was so blessed to be here and hospitality like no place else I I I don't know what to say he could pretty well overwhelm me I am

we're talking last night you know as long as I'm saying things from the podium that

you agree with that you've experienced then everything's cool but you know the minute I say something that you are not real sure about all of a sudden it's it's B. S. you know it's bullshit and it's like it's like it

we winners because it just I mean what's a good sponsor you know as a sponsor somebody's gonna validate your crap you know what whatever you wanted to go to go do it you know I got the greatest sponsor of the world you know that's not the way it is sometimes you know we got to be a little tough and sometimes you got to say things that need to be said it was talking a little brother earlier you know what we're dealing with in our rooms today and in all of the fellowships folks and all the fellowships we're we're dealing with real I mean spiritual warfare and

and if you're an alcoholic and addict I think it's extremely important that you know that and so

I think one thing that you'll need to get real clear is that when I when I speak from the podium I'm cognizant of everyone's feelings but I'm but I'm truly more cognizant of the feelings of the real alcoholic and addict yeah with this I mean let's let's get straight everybody everybody that drinks and drugs is not an alcoholic and addict for heaven's sakes you know with this everybody sitting in our fellowships are not the real McCoy I mean how many you know you sit in meetings with people that I've never worked the steps and yet they've got years of sobriety or at least say let's say this dry time yep yeah with this and it's like it's like that's the guy that's telling people to take their time to work the steps work one step a year don't worry about the stupid step two no that's the that's the guys in the back room making fun of us is real big book bumpers was laughing with the guys they do it United states do they call it the Taliban you know they did it is that big but big but not season you know it's like it's it's it's a sad thing that sometimes when I go in on a wholly synonymous meeting her and see Amy I feel

what's what's what what I'm looking for I feel out of place in my own fellowship

you know what I'm saying it's a it's very disheartening sometimes to to do that because the fellowship that saved my life and but I gotta tell you nobody's going to run me out of these rooms I'm here but it's difficult sometimes if you're not in a in a in a group the book says that we develop the fellowship around us that we crave that's why we gravitate to people that are on the same page as we are you know and at the half measures middle road sons of **** wanna meet well that's great that's fine but you know I don't have to conform to what they're doing because the alcoholism and drug addiction folks is absolutely fatal if you're one of us

it is

it's a progressive disease and it will kill you here's the sad part it'll kill you drunk or sober

yep yeah with us it's just everybody believe we talked about it last night that if you if you if you stop drinking stop doing cocaine that your life gets better but the real alcoholic and addict in this room knows that my life doesn't get better when I stop my external world does but my internal world goes to hell in a handbag and I start feeling uncomfortable more of us commit suicide in sobriety folks that we do out there drinking and drugs now what killed that got me we had a guy back in Texas is a is a guy that I did some work with over over a period of time and and and had about six years sober and shot himself we would kill this man

depression

boredom anxiety

low self esteem of uselessness yeah with this all the stuff in the book describes the spiritual malady but he hadn't had a drink in six years no cocaine in six years

but he's still took his own life why because he couldn't stand the pain of what was going on inside

and see that's what kills alcoholics and addicts and that's what I did for seven years I'm going to Alcoholics Anonymous

yes

I'm going in believing that if our finally talk about everything that's bothering me and finally get past it that I can be okay you know the expression if you know your little ducks in a row yeah yeah I know what I'm saying back at the woman back at the house if I get the car if I get the job I get all the everything I want then I can be happy inside which you'll guys I had all of that and and and lost it

say I feel I feel empty inside when I've got great things going on in my life and I feel empty inside when I've got nothing going on inside and that's what we've got to stop confusing the issue around that's where the treatment centers have a I have a tough time with treatment centers on I love treatment centers I I I work at once but we have a real tough time muddying up the water trying to tell these people if they're drinking because of an external circumstance

yup yup down with this

this little piece is gonna become controversial arrest of this is not too bad but I want to try to get through it okay

yeah

is it is this water this water

this could be whiskey brought on

how it shapes up

I do I grew up here let me show you this is the little guy don't you think of this is infamous issue man wait wait I got a little button up here after didn't come pick up about a outside issue woman you know for for beer equally you know socially correct here

issue man you know we came up with years ago to kind of kind of kind of describe what this is about it what I want to try to do is show you what the old timers did for me in nineteen eighty seven when I finally got back to the fellowship what they did was qualify me mistake for seven years in the fellowship nobody ever qualified me I walked in the door they said Chris are you an alcoholic you have trouble with alcohol yes yes I'm an alcoholic see I don't have any problem calling myself an alcoholic yeah I understand that but I'm lying because I'm an eight or seven years and I don't really believe I'm an alcoholic I believe I'm in I'm I have trouble with drugs and alcohol you with me I'm an abuser but I really don't believe I'm an alcoholic that's why we do the stupid work you guys know exactly what I'm talking about you go to see a meeting tonight said a C. eight meeting and you'll you'll be able to identify the people that are convinced that they're alcoholics or addicts you with this because they're sitting like this they're on the edge they then they're paying attention there they got the coffee before the meeting there right there they got the books with them you know they're they're they're ready to go you don't get it if you get a little bugs in there in these instances can't get still and watching the clock and gets up gets you know those were smoking come back get a Cup of coffee sits back down they're still reading who's a cocaine addict you know he's like this thing ever going to get over you know does it does take a big long dump you know those that smoke another cigarette because it is just quarter to watch the big guy does not want to be in that room yep yeah with me why did you want to be in the room because he doesn't believe he's one of us and we do a great disservice because we don't qualify and find out if even needs to be here one of the biggest problems in our fellowship is that we think this fellowship is for everybody this fellowship is not for everybody this fellowship is for cocaine drug addicts

Alcoholics Anonymous for inferring for drunks

SLA meetings for sex addicts

gamblers anonymous for gamblers you with this just because you have a little bit date doesn't mean that you qualify for twelve step group

but

we're so concerned about hurt somebody's feelings they come in there well I really don't have a problem with the cocaine in it and we just let it sit there here's the tragedy because what's gonna happen is he's gonna start share it in a minute because he feels compelled

yeah yeah we make

I don't worry about the guy shared a little bit that's fine what I worry about is the guy's downstream did end up getting hurt by the crap coming out his mouth

well god damn you know I just I just decided to quit one day and I just stopped

I was over in East Texas one time chairman the post even if this guy down from the valley here and this guy had thirty two years of sober and I was the Saturday night speaker he was a sunny morning speaker so you know it's kind of a tough today because you they need they're going to take your inventory if that's you know that's the way it works is that and so I shared it and then this guy gets a bit much of I don't know what that little one I got was jumping around so far but it's like I don't know where he was ranting and raving about you nobody's what when you just had enough fuel you had enough you put the plug in the jug and that'll be it

now this is the blessing got here's the grinder not even listen to I mean I had about ten years of sobriety that that is a level has got ten years he's telling you gotta work your **** off you got to get the steps you got to do some inventory work you gotta make some amends you got to be of service to other people this guy just say he's gonna put up with the plug in the jug and everything's gonna be okay

he's thirty two years sober who you gonna listen to

see that's the danger that we see everybody thinks it's perfectly okay for that some of which to kill people from the podium talking that crap but that's exactly opposite of what this book says

and that's what that's what I want to talk about this morning

on one fifty five yup yup and references later some you got books with

W. havens didn't bring himself

bill Wilson's talking about Dr Bob attended technical vision for you and bit bill Wilson is talking he said he's referring to doctor Bobby said he had a desperate desire to stop but saw no way out for heat earnestly tried many avenues of escape painfully aware being somehow abnormal the man did not fully realized what it meant to be alcoholic no with this doctor Bob knew his **** was on fire he knew he was in trouble but he didn't understand what it was to be an alcoholic to have the disease of alcoholism

and and that's what the bill Wilson was able to explain to this doctor what it was to be an alcoholic and then he built Dr Bob and dignified

work the damn steps and stayed sober up to the day that we should

I'm sitting in a meeting for seven years

I'll admit that I'm an alcoholic and everybody just assumes that I'm an alcoholic but I sit in meetings and I can't identify with the stuff coming out of your mouth

makes sense

that's what we were talking about last night do I believe that people need to share what's going on in their life absolutely folks come on I'm not that callous I wish you I understand that but I'm saying when we come to meetings and all we want to do is talk about our war stories or or the bad they were having we're not accomplishing a damn thing in those rooms because talking about that only thing that does is it alleviate a bit of a bit a bit of guilt you walk in the room and you go over the table in it and then let everybody else clean it up right you leave of course you feel better because everybody else is just psychotic haven't listened your crowd

listen what happened eleven tolerance huh

so here is what I wanna do I wanna

we could I want to show you what the old timers did for me I want to show you what an alcoholic and addict as

as outlined in the big book what it is yep yeah with this and you guys can identify we have anybody in here that it's not not an alcoholic and addict maybe somebody calling on residents just visiting

maybe one of the housekeeping ladies that's lost

hi are you are you a Normie

I

as good as get alignment stick because I may ask you a question or two I won't embarrass you

but

here's what an alcoholic is about fifteen percent of its spokes really in this world about fifteen percent of us are genetically wired like I am like like most of you all in this room are I've seen

it's very small percentage anybody here allergic to food

what do you like to take

we

when you say

on a starburst oranges whatever the view in orange

some

it's too bad that like that

is the the

and you want to laugh and she's not listening you can't relate to that Kenya is it one or two people in this room are allergic to certain kind of food big so so that let me ask you this question about this from a thousand podiums I wanna see if you give me the right answer

I didn't let me let me ask you one more live it would take a little further do you believe this problem with oranges has something to do with say the way you were potty trained

you know

it was the right answer

with easy I spent ten years in therapy trying to figure out why I was drinking and drugging and they're good they're they want to know yeah you know we're we're talking about everything under the sun C. trying to figure out why I can't stop drinking and drug this is what an alcoholic looks like a drug addict looks like when I put I put in my body the doctor's opinion is crystal clear on this it explains what this is about with this phenomena called craving normal people don't develop a phenomenal craving only people that are genetically predisposed wired like I am genetically developed this phenomena called craving with this and it's no different than you being allergic to to an orange not being able to eat an orange it's got nothing to do with the way you were raised it's just that's the genetic bullet that you got not no big deal yeah with us everybody this guy take this grind some of you can some of you guys been hanging on to the stupid drama for ever blame in that for your drinking and drug in the book clearly states if you're drinking and drugging is caused by an external circumstances the euro situational drunk and you need to do some great therapy about that and go away

here's what happens when I start to drink when I start to drink this is sometimes the book says at certain times I can't control the amount I drink you with this that explains why sometimes I sit down you know I got a date with Beth and I'm gonna go pick her up you know but I don't have a couple of drinks you know first take it right you know you get get comfortable get some courage it up you know because I made it with her I can assure you

and they and they because I saw this thing on the net

okay anyway

and so I'm gonna have a couple of drinks but what happens is phenomenal craving kicks in and before I go pick her up I've had six or seven drinks you with me yeah if I had had two drinks I've gone to the house looking like John Travolta I mean everything would've been cool you not about what a stud you know I mean I a bit of it you know but as it turns out I've had six or seven drinks right now and I'm not gonna deny my panties on crooked you know and I'm

I'm a man you know I'm a mess what I didn't intend to go to our house all loaded messed up did I absolutely not I tended to go over there right you dig I mean if this is so stupid people think that alcoholics and addicts every time we drink we turn into a zombie most of us in this room had appeared of time we drank and drugged quite successfully hi guys this stuff works when I called in drugs work for me when I developed a combination of alcohol and cocaine that worked buddy I'm gonna tell you I

I got laid a lot I made a lot of money and life was good you know but the problem is this phenomena craving is progressive and it is we get older and our disease I have less and less likelihood of hitting that target yup I don't know what I mean by that target

nothing this right here if I drink just up Alcala did just enough okay I can hit this target a thousand times this is the this is the right spot right here this is what every single one of you

yeah yeah yeah some of you guys in here that addicted to pills don't know what I'm talking about you take just the right amount of pills you go to work and everything's great you with this and then sometimes loops I ended up breaking a little bit too much end up outside the target a little bit you know I

I'm a little I'm a little sloppy you know I'm a little I'm a little funky you know nothing I wake up when I got I got hung over last night I mean this is not you know not a sense of things of that party I should've been on I made an **** of myself and I'm not gonna do that anymore I'm done with that you with me a couple weeks later you know you're still you're drinking a couple drinks holding no I don't wanna I don't wanna go back to that spot again you know I'm hitting that target again I'm doing real good thank god I got it all made you know and then I come that day you know what I

market

I'm not even in the same universe

this is not a cool place to be buddy this is this is the

this is public intoxication this is this is it is the trip to jail you know this is a car wreck you know it the loudest but you see

what normal people don't understand is they think well if he if he gets this this this outer limits law other I'm not he'll finally get his **** together and stop

the way this

here's what my books is on page twenty four

my book is on page twenty four the almost certain consequences that follow taking even a glass of beer do not crowd are minded to terrorists if these thoughts occur which tells me they may not

they are hazy and readily supplied with the old threadbare idea at this time we're gonna handle ourselves like other people there is the complete failure of the kind of the fence to keep one from putting his hand on a hot stove

how many I can relate to that everybody keeps what will sooner or later she'll hit her bottom

yeah when she's dead

until this obsession leaves we're going to continue to drink and drugs it's a terrible feeling to get

everybody understands this but this physical piece everybody except Nancy Reagan

I think we wouldn't but I have to say we have some crap coming out of the United States but this this step with anti right just say no

six

names the names decide no okay what you know is like

why didn't I think of that

I could have just said no

Mahdi I would had seven more years of drinking and ruining their unbelievable how silly of me

we can get you past the physical please god is called detox anybody that's been the treatment knows this we get to pass the detox the phenomena craving will not take place if the substance is not in your body we gotta get the terminology straight craving only takes place when it's in your body once it's out of your body you guys the cops not tale that takes months and months and months somebody once it's out there's no phenomena call crazy so why is it that I can't stay sober that's the crap here in meetings if you don't break the first one you won't get drunk

he

that's true

that's true

I can't not drink the first one

big

that's this right here buddy that's this word right here call choice that's the mental obsession this is the piece that killed alcoholics and addicts the mental obsession book says on that same page on page twenty four

the fact is that most alcoholics for reasons yet obscure have lost the power of choice in drink our so called will power becomes practically non existent we are unable at certain times to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the memory in suffering and humiliation of even a week or a month ago we are without defense against the first drink I mean that's the definition right there true powerlessness are you powerless over alcohol you powerless over drugs or can you remember the consequences always and stay sober we remember the car wreck will you remember the right will you remember them what what ever to tragedy that took place around the upcoming drug will you remember that with sufficient force to stop you from putting in your body again

see my experience that's what we're asking you guys to do look at your truth based on your experience not your head knowledge

what's your based on your experience

my experience is that there were times I can remember getting arrested and then there were times within a few days after the rest that I didn't think about it all somebody what I wasn't cocaine masses well yeah perhaps but just a little

always with the intention of just doing just a little I'm the only guy out that we were laughing about it with another conference I'm the only guy after I know that ever got fired by a drug addict the other day I mean by a dope dealer though there does need to get tired because I go over to his house is but he added a quarter gram of cocaine

in the end two hours later I'll be back knocking on his door but he added a quarter gram of cocaine you know he is hired to step in on the stock you know he's got this is Chris one if you just buy a house you're going to do it now supports all over once you get I'm not a drug addict I need a quarter gram of cocaine

I believe I'm relatable but if you see what I'm asking for a quarter gram of cocaine I know it because this is going to be the last I this is it for me the question we had asked you guys when you come to treatment is not all the stupid drama that you do have to ask you just one question have you ever gone back to a money machine more than once in a night

you're so busted is it normal people don't do that but when I go at six o'clock

they don't because it's a big game service charge at the end of that thing you know I go back Chris I got forty dollars out that's all I need I need forty dollars

and I go back again I know the forty dollars never made another forty dollars shipped do it all night long to get that little glow you know there's insufficient funds you know

if I'd known I was going to do two hundred dollars with the doubt that not why did I just get two hundred dollars out it's five o'clock because I wasn't going to do two hundred dollars with the dog that night I was just going to do a little your big dealt with this on that one this thing about choice is absolutely unbelievable this

this other piece right here is a three part is these guys we got a three part solution I got some great no handouts you have enough for everybody but we'll make some copies and you guys can get dispersed them you can pass all over England I get into it but put it in the rooms and then leave

I don't think you lay them down you're already in enough trouble with the

what they never talk to me in seven years in Alcoholics Anonymous about was this third piece called the spiritual malady everybody that I walked into when I first got the eight wanted to do this little Tippy toe thing around this god thing yeah with this and this is this is the problem when I said earlier that we're in spiritual warfare this is the reason our success rates are so dismally low because nobody wants to talk about this god thing

guys I hate to sound callous about this but but it but if you're really struggling with this god thing go smoke some more crack

I mean Jesus

you'll get

you didn't have any problem out there when you're getting your **** be talking to this higher power oh god please help me and now you're cleaning the rooms are not used well I'm not really sure about this god thing

it is free to you know rebellion can be fatal I don't understand that you're here right to to to consider this it could be fatal

millions of us have finally succumb to the fact that there's a power out there greater than ourselves woke up this morning overlooking I don't know but your room by room overlooking the the ocean out there with breath taking views did I do that

and

god did that folks the same power that made that ocean

the same power that causes birds to fly

allows me to live comfortable in my skin today

he said he got Jack **** to do with religion it's got everything to do with spirituality please

these are some statistics I'm hesitant to to read them to you because so many people want to take exception when I do this because this is purely non scientific but it's like I think it's a great way to see some click with some clarity what's going on here

in

the forward to the second edition of this big book we had there's some there's a little passive in it gives some statistics this is the nineteen fifty five in Alcoholics Anonymous we had a success rate between sixty five and seventy five percent were getting sober stance over a year with this pretty good success right you know the cats come in the room some have a little trouble the card they probably get the feet on the ground and the end of the year we got about seventy five percent staying sober it's great stuff early days about college and I misspoke we had tremendous success right and then we got real smart folks and the treatment centers got involved and we get better therapy and we had the antidepressants hit the scene and we had a lot of you know a lot of school stuff happened in all took us away from the one thing that was going to save our **** which was the spiritual experience here's the stats coming out of Dallas Texas no where Dallas is

remember the movie all right that's where it is and no I've never met J. R. don't don't even start

in nineteen S. U. two thousand three

they sold nineteen thousand six hundred ninety eight is our chips they're in a in a group office yep yeah with this they sold nearly twenty thousand desire chips

we given key tags in our fellowship of cocaine on a little still tokens to signify that we want to try to do this deal they sell one thousand five hundred and eighty to one month's chips

now what happened to the other the nineteen thousand people to pick up a desire to

they could even make it thirty days

they only had well there was a one thousand five hundred eighty two

one year chips the good little brass ones one thousand three hundred eighty eighty five seven percent

that's where success rates are right now in the United States best case scenario you'll find about twenty percent success rate in all of the fellowships why because we don't qualify the newcomer we don't tell them what they need to do to get well we didn't come into the stupid meetings and sit there and get someone comfortable they can't stand it and then they leave

well he just didn't want it

what what

an hour they listen if you tell your stupid **** war stories

listen the one about the damn baby sitter no you're right he didn't want that

I smell more my sponsor says I smell more it was a better fellowship let me show you here this spiritual malady guys is the third piece in the most important piece this is issue man up here and if you

this email you'll notice on the issue woman pandered one ex the ex there is my wife pointed out

the lack that women having more issues than men I don't know about that

here's the little guy you know here's the problem the big book describes a thing called a spiritual malady you know it is a spiritual illness it talks about it dozens of pages but we don't we we we want to avoid it because it brings up the god thing we don't talk about god so let's just talk about not drinking one day at a time

big book describes the spirituality of this

how about irritable they don't relate to irritable

about restless

this content the huge no sense of direction

boredom

depression

Russians the number one symptom of alcoholism drug addiction folks fear

tension anxiety

trouble in personal relationships

yeah how about the one with yourself that's a personal relationship so you guys are so tough on yourself it's not even funny

trouble making a living got nothing to do with making money so you guys are quizzes that making money you just don't handle your money very well with us that's why they got your credit card

they yeah yeah yeah all of that stuff C. is what makes me uncomfortable inside what happens the books as we drink for the effect will take the cooking for the effect what's the affect the effect is it treats that internal condition makes it go away

when I do a little bump when I do a lot of calls I feel great

and I'm gonna go to work and I'm gonna kick but I'm gonna be the best employee I'm gonna be super lover everything's good until the stuff is out of my system and I start feeling comfortable again and now I gotta go do some more yeah with this alcohol and drugs is not my problem we talked about it last night alcohol and drugs is my solution always has been

and now you're asking me to leave the stuff along

when I walk into therapy they say Chris buddy let's talk about this

let's talk about mama

we laughed about it let's not let's talk about your sexuality let's talk about the sheep again you know let's talk about your work your work what's going on at work let's talk about your day let's talk Jesus

and I'm talking I mean I I benefit from I'm telling you get therapy is great you know whatever the party wanted talk about my little PP and then I've got to be real tough when I I

but what are we going to do I mean if that's what we're drinking over your

I mean I mean what are you going to do if my drinking and drugging he's got something to do with this external stuff that's the worst thing I can tell you today if you're drinking a drug has got something to do with some but something external then it's a noose around your neck because these people may not change

US though circumstances may not change

I'm gonna tell you something about alcohol is a drug addiction is one hundred percent recoverable and in that state of as a recovered alcoholic and addict whatever goes on out here you're going to have the power to deal with here's what the book says try to pay forty five if you got your books

one of the greatest pages in the book

for lack of power

that was the dilemma what is it didn't say alcohol was the dilemma inside cocaine was the dilemma lack of power that's the dilemma is not the truth lack of power to deal with all these these little little chicken **** issues

we had to find a power which we could live and had to be a power greater than ourselves obviously but where and how we gonna find that power well that's exactly what this book is about its main object is enable you to find a power greater than yourself which will solve your problem

I'm years in the fellowship and nobody showed me that nobody explained that to me I thought this was some kind of glorified self help program I'm gonna get in here and I'm gonna fix myself

buddies

if you can fix yourself you have done it a long time ago

I need this power to come into my life and change everything my attitude and belief systems are going to switch

that's what this is about this right here what's on page twenty one of twenty talks about the specific part about the moderate drinker and drug the hard drinker and drug and then talk about the real alcoholic the real drug addict and if you're one of us buddy there's only one solution for you and that's the spiritual experience

the spiritual experience that you're guaranteed to have as a result of working the steps make sense but what we wanna do we wanna come to meetings all we wanna do is talk about this crap over here

the tragedy that's been a lot of time blaming everybody else in the world why I couldn't stay sober

you either one of us you're not

you can't be a little bit drug addict you're either one of us or not there are a lot of people that are abusers given sufficient reason

they can stop

what is your experience show you

your experience tell you that you had significant reason to quit before now and been unable to do it

welcome to our fellowship

welcome we got a solution for you

what's our primary purpose guys we read it last night when we read that we read the traditions I think I got the book

I want to show you something real quick

the fifth edition long form everybody wants really short form long form not much longer he Alcoholics Anonymous group each cocaine anonymous group ought to be a spiritual entity having but one primary purpose that of carrying its message the alcoholic who still suffers

what's my message

what what's my message

is it me not a dumpster in Houston Texas is that my message

this is the message this is the best we all carry

the message of hope the twelve steps

right

we run something by you

some of you got a grinding your teeth about this war story thing we we talked about it last night's talk page seventeen says we got one one element that holds together that's our war story yeah with this

I could sit down and talk to you guys for days about the stuff that happened but generally we all we have to do is sit down about about two or three sentences between us and I know who I'm talking to you know you share a little bit you I sure let me we're going down the road you with this simple but see that's not what holds together will hold us together what what delights me with its is excited me all weekend we sit down at breakfast with you guys sitting down as talking to in the in the aisles with the out here visiting with you about your cool lives and what you're doing out there in sobriety that's what ties us together is the same solution I got me sober got you sober so why is it that was so bad the member with our story everybody says well that's all we have

that's all we have is our stories I hear at meetings all the time listen shame on me if that's all I've got

if all I've got is a bunch of scary S. war stories to tell you shame on me I'm not talking about from the podium we get up and share our stories from the podium that's a great deal we'll do it tonight Leon will do it tomorrow that was what I wanted to get a chance to listen to other people's lives I'm talking about sitting in a meeting why is it that you continue to want to go back and share your story over and over I don't want to forget my story

horse ****

well just saying you're not even going to remember your own story much less somebody else's story

with that obsession returns are going to go yes

more stories had one place folks and that's in a thing called a twelve step call we could do a whole hour just on that in a twelve step call

you get this call it is a is a guide at the coffee shop and she ship based in and I wanna call this is Betty can you come see this guide so you sit down with him he's got a space in a in a plate of fish and chips you know use the buddy wake up let's talk a minute you know and you start telling a little bit about yourself about what happened and how six months ago you too were trying to drown in a plate of fish and chips

and now today you either instance women you know and it's a pretty but you used to hear some stories and you get the got comfortable you get his confidence and then you guys I've done this from a thousand putting young how to fish you know you get the Maybelline little never you seem kinda yeah and any do you set the hook and then and then you tell them

about how I got sober what would it be doing any Thatcher

he got the message from Rowland hazard who got it from call young big into a big Texas message to bill Wilson he gets on a bus in about six months over in just a few months over he gets on a bus to go find it Wilson a system and it wasn't and they and they share a few stories

we'll talk about it in bill story they visit a little bit about the old times you with this and then what is any day he didn't like buddy I'm joined busy we all talk to you again sometime so you had a meeting

he did

he says he bill says what happened to you you it is

the hug tells ME gotten god he didn't mince any words

he tells them about god

bill Wilson gets over

they go find out about bill Wilson doesn't gets but talk about few months later doesn't find the guy sits down in the in the in the garden house there in there in in the Easton and sits down with him and visits with them a little bit and they start sharing some more stories talk about says yeah this guy knows what he's talking about he understands alcohol you understand it today do you understand okay you know