The 12-step Happening in Reykjavik, Iceland

The 12-step Happening in Reykjavik, Iceland

▶️ Play 🗣️ Chris R. ⏱️ 60m 📅 08 Mar 2003
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my name's Chris Raybon recovered alcoholic
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R. I. A.
thank you
I am I am so honored to be here on
I'll try to make this quick got it's tight quarters here for some of you guys you're gonna get a little hot in here and I have I. D. I can't tell you at the hospitality here at Mars in and Peter and I if I am absolutely delighted by this experience I I need it it's not anything what I expected I can assure you I I put this trip offer year just but it just doesn't because it was it
unbelievable experience and I'm sure they'll agree we get a chance here Myers in the morning and Peter did a great job last night SO elegant
Peter asked me to call him on the phone asking us how many bags you bring in Iceland because it's a long way to travel you know night I usually I do a lot of speaking are travelers but mostly in the states I do not have any bags to bring I mean what what do you take you know and a lot of coach you know they have judicial jokes and
you know I Peter said he's taken three bags he's taking one back for coaching staff and close and he's taken to for hair care products
look at these guys here I mean it's like
it is like the guys yes Peter stand up to these guys because like I didn't see this morning
if you will we have a willing to go to any lengths in us like it is in the bathroom for ever on this like so there's a reason that they look like I just crawled out of a dumpster you know it took me about three seconds to get ready and
great hospitality I think Peter in on armor and all the guys at the house anybody else anything to do with getting us up here this is a a truly a blessing I I look at the guys check this out like I had yeah yeah I wanna be amused all you know I got my the chic T. shirt in honor
we have some sheep **** waiting for us after we finished talking
I suggest you very highly that I did not eat that before but I'm gonna try I mean I I I used to be the food business out anything you know and I didn't I'm absolutely honored to be here
the nicest people I've ever met I got to tell you that the government open I don't know if that's just
because you're just bored **** was on this island I don't I don't know what you just so open I was like you know I speak rather conferences it's been weeks it weakens in Congress as a good will ever ask me about this I you know and I've had an endless procession of people coming up
what's up with the I. pace whatsoever
and then like a little kids it can I see it
nobody can see this if you want to
I didn't because in case of that the two of you in here that have not asked me what happened the I've
I was in a rock fight when I was a kid about eleven years old you know mom was right you know you can rock five stone rocks in the backyard and Texas and I just didn't duck and I got him out of the rock and then lost his sight yes I do have an I. it looks like **** no you can't see it
I don't know I used to tell me when I was growing up when I was drinking the disease I used to tell him because like you can go on like little Vietnam bars you know the real beer joints all over take all of the state's anywhere you could go in there and and tell them that not a lot I lost in Vietnam it is just it has a better ring I lost his eye in Vietnam then a lost in Iraq by you know it is
thousands more Houston so we all heard me say if I told this guy that I was in Vietnam and we started drinking beers at any I had that you know I mean it had been too long that we had enough alcohol in me and I kept talking enough to know that I've never been out of the state of Texas much less Vietnam you know I got to tell you that bad that I was talking to was not amused you know I gotta say this if you have an Arab you're asking my guy in a wheelchair
you don't want to you buddy I want to date
as they remember laying on the floor that Bartlett listen guys take that got run over him again Jackson
when
well it's not cool
everybody ask me if I was nervous yes I'm nervous you know I know people they can get up to this podium and not be nervous at all I throw up before I speak I I swear I sit up here you know just you know god please I'm not pray and I'm I'm begging you know got don't don't deserve me now I don't
I mean there's a trade off centers on the podium before and I can say with you because because we're we're like kissing cousins now but I get it you know
I'd rather keep the cats but then do this
because I know what's going to happen some of you guys are gonna enjoy this talk and some of you guys are not going to enjoy this talk
you know anytime I validate you that say that you're doing something well you like me and then in that time I say something that you're not doing so well and I might bring it to your attention not that I'm the bad guy yeah yeah with this you know it's like that relationship you give your girlfriend tells you the best in the west and then she makes one little commented on the way then you might be able to change your immediately pissed off all the compliments his went out the door
some of you heard my tapes and CD's and stuff around you will you'll hear my eyes in the morning it's the same kind of stuff which which is not guys we don't want to piss anybody off and we're not trying to gun for anybody it's just it's just that is I'm so passionate about recover somebody said earlier she's on her journey takes you you seem so angry you know that's that's a tape you know and I'm in the middle of a talk in and I'm not angry but I but I'm passionate about recovery I just
no I nearly died get alcoholics anonymous and may not I spent time eating out of dumpsters and I spent time make a lot of money it was real confusing for me and I spent a lot of time in seven years in and out of Alcoholics Anonymous in the states in Texas dying of what we call untreated alcoholism and I and and I am not going to stay so for per time and leave and go in is because it just lights up so many of you all in this room it is not necessary because I never heard the solution all I wanna do is talk to you about my experience in that if if my experience please stick with me this if my experience doesn't jive with your experience forget it don't take it personal you'll be with us if you're a hard drinker hanging out may eighth all you want to do is coming to the meetings and use them as a dumping ground for your freaking little problems go ahead if you think that you're right please go ahead
I hope you die soon but I
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here's the problem that we face with here's the problem in Alcoholics Anonymous in the state's insurance here too you know you you got a lot of cats we had a real clear message back in nineteen thirty five nineteen forty when we sure got when we got the message the book was published in thirty nine we had a real clear message down to great success right now the messages been garbled up by a bunch of people I work for treatment center I did clerical work for a hospital in in Texas the high dollar treatment center and I got a taste of it's a great facility what we do the same thing in that facility that we do here in in in the Iceland we dry you out we get you away separate from the chemicals long enough to get your little head straight to figure out what to do and then the cats that walk out to get connected with that strong a I wish I could send them all to Iceland because I gotta tell you got a core bunch of people in this room that are Kickin **** Kickin but forget the amount of sobriety body until you passion is in this room you're the cats I'm talking to and if the cats if you can identify what I'm saying very
just bless you I was truly a nothing personal not really
here's what happened there was a doctor Bob bill this is talking to his little book I'm right now I'm still a big book and it talks about he said he said that I confuse the newcomer he
he said he had a desperate desire to stop he's talking about Dr Bob the co founder of Alcoholics Anonymous we saw No Way Out forget earnestly tried many avenues of escape painfully aware of being somehow abnormal the man did not fully realize what it meant to be alcoholic you with this and that and that that is that is still true today in our fellowship we got a lot of people that are in in this fellowship because somebody sent in here or because they drink too much this great land this little book
every alcoholics every alcoholic to drunk but not ever drunks an alcoholic
if you get it
the scene that's the problem that we have we we have this idea that if you drink a lot you're an alcoholic and that's not true and that's what the book's been sixty pages trying to explain alcoholism is a disease drug addiction is a disease if you've got it there's just a small percentage above us that habit and it is about fifteen percent in the states right now they've got it and if you got it buddy its failings progressive it's going to kill you if you follow us if you don't have it then you're going to get to a place where the pain of staying drunk is too great and you make some decision
based on your own well being to stop you'll have the power to stop you with this the book says if you can check here on page thirty four hundred this one or not but this down
somebody help me with my glasses please
page thirty four we read it this morning and not Peter referred to it last night it says it says weathers
for those who are unable to drink moderately the question is how to stop altogether drug modeling Yakin subject words in here what if your demon is worse there's nobody in here this modern anything I can assure you but
we're assuming of course that the reader desires to stop no that's an assumption I'm look at this room thinking you all want to be in recovery but the truth is some of you guys can't wait to get the hell out of here you don't want to you don't want to get sober you what you want is the pain to go away your followers you what you want is the heat to get off you want that road towards to pull back from your but if you make changes so you can move a little bit you want the woman to come back you want the job to come back with a lot of you know if you're and then and then you're gonna go right straight back to it you with this and again you're welcome but you're not gonna understand what I'm talking about here okay here's what it says
whether such a person can quit upon a non spiritual basis that means can you if you can stop without god
I E. working the steps
depends upon the extent to which you've already lost the power to choose whether you're going to do it or not
if you can choose to stop you're not one of us but you know what I mean by stop guys I mean stop
if you could choose to quit and leave it all I don't mean for six months I don't mean for a few weeks I mean quit for good you'll you'll follow me if you can do that you're not one of us this is the baffling feature alcoholism as we know it this is utter inability to leave it alone no matter how great the necessity or the wish to save but I didn't hear any of that when I got out of college anonymous in nineteen eighty I don't hear any of that what I heard was a lot of stuff to talk about your problems and if you just live your life around and manage better you'd be okay and this is what treatment centers teach if there's anybody from a treatment center that's teaching it quit
alcoholism is genetic folks and we get it genetically we because we we're we're wired different than normal people it's got nothing to do with my circumstances the
alcoholism is not a behavioral problem we got we got industry out there that wants to turn us all into a bunch of free cases all world world just mixed up people in this no we're not we're we're the finest people on earth the most talented
certainly in this room the most beautiful Jesus I never saw anything like it
I'm glad I got a girlfriend home I'll be staying here
and so you so you ladies if you haven't a homely damn babies I can promise you unbelievable unbelievable with the best folks with the cream of the crop but we are wired genetically different he's like it's we laugh about in this hospital it's like being allergic to certain foods you know anybody that's allergic to certain foods nobody's gonna Jack is some guy can't eat shellfish right and so it's actually the third person across from him help let's just go back and talk about your mama some more you know because I
this is how is it how is it that you were potty trained because I believe it is I believe this is this is interviewed in the shellfish problem
I can't eat shellfish because genetically I'm wired that way big that's what's all it is I can't drink alcohol because my body will metabolize it like a normal individual in the statement it's got nothing to do with the way we were raised and if you're in this room thinking that you're drinking and drug has got something to do with the way you were raised or something bad happened to you you need to really pay attention to this talk
and after I'm gone and you finish taking my inventory you need to get
you need to get real quiet and it was somebody that understands this work and try to find out what's going on because we got this idea can't stand this coat we've got this idea
we got this idea in in into spelled in most treatment centers that we would just manage better
we would stay sober but I mean how do you explain the times I made a lot of money and I had a great and all the stuff lined up you know that there's a lot in the book and read stories as that was the end of a perfect day not a cloud on the horizon next paragraph he gets drunk it's like how are you going to be
the end of a perfect day not a cloud on the horizon you see guys because I'm not drinking about because of external circumstances this is real list I can see the basis some of you already your collector because yours here
it is practically peeing on myself over here
this here's what you want to do here's what you wanna do you want to draw a direct line between something that happened to you or something that is happening to you and blame that for your drinking and as long as you're doing that you're never going to get well
you're always going to be a victim
say there's a
some don't know Marion Williamson I'm a big fan of hers she is she's written some great stuff here's a little paragraph I want to read it to you we are tempted to do in our personal lives exactly what we do in our global scale we try to Tinker with the external speaking that we tinkered up with externals they're gonna change our lives we come to understand if we don't change our thinking and you just change the externals then ultimately what you're going to experience his despair of having seen the whole thing blew up in your face again and sing it well again is the only thing worse than seeing it blow up
big talking to some of you guys and how many times you've been in treatment how many times you've been to treatment I mean is it blew up again did it huh what
like to keep your collective but didn't in here you go again marching back in there how come you're back in here she left me well she you know last time you were here you tell me you're drinking because of her and now she's gone what it was
we got the guys in the hospital you know the guy come in and that's using his own treatment plan you know if he's drinking because it because he's a wealthy man and there's pressure owning money in this all this problem of having money and they got that negative he's drinking because you got a pot to piss in you know any
any any really be tormented about business so it's like these these dualities this image is restricted you got too much money this is doing that he can get any money you know it's like the guy up in the penthouse we were talking about last night looking at the bomb on a park bench and they're both taking each other's inventory you know goodbye could be they're gonna just be there ever thinking that that's a that's what I did all my life
got checked baggage I was a professional chef from for years you know good luck just get out of the kitchen you know if I could just you know go back up there get when those big tall hats to this little chicken **** they're going cap I don't
I'd be I'd be a happy camper I would have to drink so much booze you know how god does
are you get the bay had
because I can just get to be that of the kitchen if they're gonna just get to be the sushi chef W. just could be the executive sous chef got about getting I can imagine a goddess like dis buddy you know I'm I'm working overtime with your skin last why what we doing here
fine just give me the food and beverage director got to just get out of hotel get the barbecue restaurant
god we just get the catering company chief I just bought a house Jeez we just expert just sell this expensive **** you know we what we did when we do it in the psychotic just finished school got to just have kids but we we laugh about all the I never forget that I went to got it sitting in a parking lot in a rest in a in a in a bar that Myers work god if you let that woman marry me choose a cocktail waitress in this bar and asked if you let that woman marry me I'll quit drinking I'll quit doing cooking OB I'll clean up my act I was thirty years old time set some roots down right man I'm a taste in guys a month or so later we're married
that's it in that little drives apartment I'm living it took over the back of the whole hung over what your shovel and Cheerios intermountain got it you can just kill this woman right now I
what do we do it but we're all we all do it we all do it that's why we go to open discussion meetings we sit around we will talk about the problem of that we call it the problem de jour the problem of the day what what is it that you think is is is keeping you drunk today and I gotta tell you guys you'll chase that bread until they throw dirt on your face to your dad if somebody didn't finally get you the message and tell you exactly what's wrong with you you're not breaking because of external circumstances
are they are they make in your life tougher yes do you need to deal with them yes
do you need to do within my meeting
no
because that's not the place to deal with that's a good therapist office is a place to deal with that in a group of your friends before and after the meeting is a place to deal with it but during a meeting for Christ's sake why don't we just talk about god and the steps when we pull the newcomer with a vision of how absolutely cool why can be
C.
one of the
one of the
I guess I don't know what to tell you exactly except that is that we got ourselves in trouble with I get it back in the seventies and eighties of the treatment centers in the country I don't know if around here but you know that that was the construction of the day for the for the cat the coming out of treatment if you have a problem you've done great work here thirty days later but if you have a problem go to a meeting and talk about it where where did this shift comes from
I tell you what happened a lot of people in Alcoholics Anonymous in in our attempt to help the newcomer and make them feel comfortable we forgot the book and just allowed to take place I'm gonna tell you we came within
a short period of time of losing this fellowship for ever
I'll say this folks I make in within a minute
what we need in our fellowship is more spiritual mentors and a few less junior therapists
miss crying to see because everybody in this room has done it everybody in this room is gone into a meeting and talk about their problems every I including myself I've done it and I've gotten some good feedback you see but the temper and I have and and it's all in and help me through the day but you see what I didn't hear for seven years in and out of alcohol tonight on this is Chris it's time to take your little head out of your little but now
it's time to get active and start helping others so you can start thinking about them a little bit more than your little pathetic life so that you can recover from alcoholism take that's the cool thing about being rich you know what it means to be a recovered alcoholic and drug addict it means that I wake up every day and have for fifteen years and not obsessed about alcohol and drugs the obsession the desire to use has been lifted from me those are the teams that promises I'm gonna be taken to a place of neutrality around alcohol and drugs and some of you in this room right here uncomfortable having to be around it I'm gonna tell you somethin folks that's a terrible place to be
to be dry sober one day at a time and not be able to be around outside or drugs worried about the next day but you might start thinking about it again and go down the toilet
recovered alcoholics and drug addicts is a position of neutrality around alcohol and drugs that's what you need to be that's where you need to go but it's not gonna happen by sit in a meeting talking about your chicken **** problem it's just not
I used to do that Hey is not one of them
you're with me yeah I understand what I'm saying
okay if if if everybody's real clear that alcohol is a drug addiction is not about the problems then why do we allow it to happen he is he is not the personalities that guy back there every time he comes in he **** about his problems that's not the problem the format allows it if the format of the meeting allows it that's what you're gonna get you're gonna get people come in and talk about the problem change the meetings make a miniature base means when you open a paragraph and you read a couple paragraphs in the book and then discuss that so the new cover can start getting some hope into somebody's coming apart at the seams gravel might take them out after the meeting and let's do some let's let's help them let's get help and get connected with a problem help him help him understand what it's about I'm down with that but sitting in a meeting that one the one hour a day that we have to talk about god the steps and wasted on your chicken chip problem I tell you is a damn day to day damn travesty
listen folks I heard about these knuckleheads in in the in the state say it all the time they get a special note taking a cake you know they're picking up a chip you know I'm I'm fifteen years old
and I know less about this program now than I did when I got here
here it is it's it's it's an attempt to be as a humility but I'm tell you it's a it's it's it's it's it's absolute horse **** see if your fifteen years on the fellowship folks yeah I'm gonna tell you something if you know how to work the steps and you know how to have a spiritual experience why the hell you stand up from a podium saying that you don't understand how this thing works we know exactly how it works everybody in here is allowed to have a spiritual experience everybody in here it's it's it's still not taking
what we have to carry that message to the newcomer so you guys continue to relax over and over and over you're running out of time folks you're running out of relapses you know when you pick up one chip and done as people here they got sober one boom done
we just think it's perfectly okay for you to go back out
it's not
we need you in the trenches we need you in the trenches work and help us help others to stay sober you see nobody can affect another alcoholic and addict like another alcoholic and addict you have to have experienced this to know what it's about if you follow us people that are not alcoholic and addict can't help me because because I I will not dignify you can't
if I want to know about sex just say hypothetically that I want to know about
and you had a choice he had two twin brothers and and they're coming like Myanmar's now what happened with me in Mars and we wanna know about sex SO Myers he went and read a lot of books he got a lot of books and what the playboy about all the other stuff is looking even looking point and we got a little diagram and you know you don't he knows a lot about having sex
I've I went to the drive in and had some sex
now you want to come up in his meeting and talk to somebody knows about sex you wanna go to somebody's has read about it or you want to go to somebody that's done it
come on ladies the first thing you do when you get pregnant as you go find some of your friends have been pregnant don't talk to somebody that hasn't they don't have a clue what it's about
it made a truce you want to start a business will start pop somebody started a business you want to go get dental work go talk to somebody had been work it's just it's identification you want to talk with up all you got a problem with alcohol and you need some help go talk to somebody that's recovered
and they can
they can help you they can show you what it's about and that's our job in this fellowship that's our job everybody in here you think you got so we're just so you could be Mister nice guy you got sober so you can turn around to help somebody else that's what it's about nobody told me that for seven years
now I'm gonna talk about that
I don't die
must've been the shark **** or whatever they were we I got a
I don't know what they were I don't know whether I just
I
is drinking early on
in high school and we were talking some of the cats earlier about this you know I believe all of us in the early early age once we started drinking if we'd had the weather all to say this is looking Graham maybe we could have stopped but see most of us that things started going weird on week we got to a place we just we were already some deeper the quicksand we couldn't get out anyway we still think we can get out and that's the problem in our fellowship everybody thinks they can quit so when a newcomer comes in what we need to do is qualify we need to find out first before we talk to about anything else we need to qualify and find out if they're in the right room or not are they really an alcoholic or not in ten seconds the claim here Clinton second so you can understand what I'm talking about it's kicking case we got people that are not working the steps in here an alcoholic is somebody that physically is different than a normal person because they can't metabolize alcohol they have a thing called a phenomena called craving that kicks in and once you start to break a once you start to take the drug you can't control this remember the word control this is the amount you're going to take it with us the problem is not a because I drink the problem is that I drink a lot big enough I could not drink a lot I would have gone to jail and I would have done the crazy stupid stuff I did I drank too much why can't I learn from my mistakes he's like he's like we laughed about it this morning a little workshop I mean how many you guys in here ever get were out drinking and got sick leave over the bushes and Peter got that last thing you saw your toenails coming up yeah
and he walked right back up to the bar what amounts and blame it on the chickens got most of it is to take it
yes one more and into and you're good at them that's not normal your body soak in that stuff up physical allergies one piece and then you get the second piece the mental obsession why can't you stop when given sufficient reason it's just like what they talk about with doctor Bob it he wanted to stop but he couldn't figure out why I couldn't stop why do we keep going back hello guys why do you go to treatment once and then and then go back out and drink again and go back to treatment and then go back out to the kitchen to learn from your mistakes
are you are you
I was talking to a mother of a of a of a page in the high school the other day she says I just he just went back again he would not a treatment to which he was drinking again I just think he's crazy
and we're getting close and we're getting
I think your body's going to get on with this is about here we're both guys the book doesn't use the word in denial we're not we're not denying what it will look at this we're we're looking at it he is like my **** is on fire and everybody's going Krister puts on fire and I'm
I don't see anything wrong
we're all going down you know it is like everybody's looking around like is this is
unbelievable unbelievable that's the insanity of the first drink why do I keep going back to it and if you and if you if you have the power to stop the you're not one of us but if you have had how many of you guys in this room of events a bit to get reason to quit the book says on page twenty one just be aware the little stickers on the personal page twenty one I understand that you know we hear that your pages don't line up with our pages but sorry I'll figure it out said you some new stickers but yeah
how many do you had to be sufficient reason to stop in and we quit prepared of time and then we started drinking again see your family members here to look at that your family members think see here's what they think but he's just lying to us you know alcoholics addicts are all a bunch of liars that's not true some of us are some of us have character depicts alliance some of us in this room are the most honest people on earth
don't blame your dishonesty on alcoholism
it's it's ridiculous what listen there was a time in nineteen eighty I was a little domestic disturbance in my house and
and after I was laid back in the house was about four o'clock in the morning I was ripped on alcohol and cocaine and I was in a bad shape but I mean as I'm coming down this I realize what I did I scare the daylights out of her name it was just too scared the daylights out of me and I went to I mean with tears in my eyes and I'm never gonna do that again I becoming somebody I don't want to be one day it seemed like I had the alcohol and drugs and the next day it had me you'll understand that in it's not it's not that I'm drinking to avoid anything I'm drinking to
I don't understand the target right you know I'm drinking to get okay in my own skin out I started drinking that morning just a couple of beers just kind of settle in owner so I so I can go to work and just take care of business I would I wasn't drinking at seven o'clock in the morning because I was partying down guys
everybody thinks that that's what is I'm not family members he would he just parties too much if that's all you're doing then quit party in this like this like it's more on what's Nancy Reagan you don't just say no what
I mean I hope I get a chance to see her before she dies so
so I can kill I mean I
no I'm just joking but I mean if you have any sense of this is stupid it's somebody's tried a million times we've gone to our significant others we've gone to the court what you did when I was there from the judge not told us what I meant it when I went to that woman that night on bended knees and beg her forgiveness instead I'm never going to drink and drug again I meant it Dr Bob in the archives his Bible is got to places where he signed his name in blood a blood oath I am never going to drink again nobody he wouldn't go in smoke up anybody's **** he made it
did he have the power to manage the decision to stay stopped
did you get it
we have the power to manage the decision to stay stop we're great quitters folks we're just better starters
and the insanity is I don't remember the consequences of week or month ago and I just go back into it again and again and again and it progressively gets worse and the stuff hits the fan in nineteen eighty eight as a result of that domestic disturbance I got hooked up with a therapist at look being looked talk to me for about five minutes he said Chris you've been in therapy all your life I can't tell you anything that you don't already know that I have I've been in therapy for since I was a teenager on and off and I've been taking anti depressants I need to tell you that for ever I don't take them today thanks because the special experience for me but I took them for all my adult life because this depression was killing me you say nobody bothered to remind me that depression was the number one symptom of alcoholism and drug addiction state but we're trying to treat with a pale say ten nineteen eighty when I go to the services increase you need to get your **** Alcoholics Anonymous cause you're nothing but a dropped it all if you look at my chart bipolar you know manic depressive all this I mean I got the the laundry list of diseases all got in here it's the same stuff she's your disease of colder than my diseases
I never felt cold like yesterday's unbelief but you don't understand so I go to this their prison she finally tells me the truth and she says go to AA and so I walk in the door is my first trip to Alcoholics Anonymous and I'll never forget it was downtown Dayton Texas and I walk up the stairs you know the dark upstairs one light in this room downtown Dayton Texas I'll walk up in this one like this old man this this this guy I don't know how this geezer was old
all of the meat for Christ's sake I any and he said in this big easy chairs all fought back it is because I thought he was dead you know I walk in and you can't you can't see the light so damn every smoking in there and there's six people in this room including myself he says you have a problem with alcohol
this has been
well
how to kiss a pig I guess I do I mean I'm I'm I'm
I just finished a court in the truck was a qualified I mean I I don't I've been drinking all afternoon long I go to this is a a media walking he says well then you're welcome that was the extent of the qualification you want to you got a problem with alcohol that's that's a guy that's a qualifying thing too for membership and I ate but you see nobody ever told me that there's another thing you got to do in order to get well you can come in to discuss if you have a desire to be sober welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous you had a desire to stay off the drug welcome to narcotics anonymous cocaine anonymous you follow me but if you want to get well but it is big it is bigger and better requirements and that you've got to be willing to do certain things to get connected to god this is a program of action you can and you can't get connected just because you want to
or just because you need to you've got to do the work
nobody said anything about me nobody nobody tweak that meeting we talked about this lady when there her husband was drinking we talked about that lady's husband all night long we were now we talked about this place has been all my life to write we listen to peace in Mount Pleasant on everybody we're at this amount I walk as his goddam
how did it break hi this is
and I got a drink and then watch he says it's time to go back you said you were gonna go to a a let's make a stab at it I went to another meeting and that's exactly what we did and we know when we finish talking about your problems you know what we did we tell the stupid **** war stories until the cows came home
with the
both
there's one place to tell war stories
I'll say this there's two places you can tell from the podium it's entertaining it's the place to do it the other places in a thing called a twelve step call once they come into the meeting
they're here
we we we we have them
there was obviously something big got on here now then you got a choice are you gonna scare with your chicken **** war story
or you got a problem with the vision of how cool your life is
and we're taught to share the story I've said this from a podium a thousand times we kill women by the thousands in our fellowship by trying to tell our Billy bad **** war stories we kill the young people buy them untold thousands because we're too busy telling about our stupid drunk the logs in our time we spent in prison I mean this is this is my experience I'm sure from a million volumes this is my experience a walk in when I am eating busted so hopeless I wanted to die suicide or not case absolutely convinced that this wouldn't work for me you with me but I walked into this stupid meeting one more time all we have a new comer let's tell him how we got here no one in the living hell what I wanna know how you got here
I don't even know how I got here you know what I'm not here
and here's what you're going to do when you're gonna go around a room you're gonna tell you a little more stores they don't know anything about me I'm a professional chef right I got a lot of stuff going on in my life I make a little money I got a nice wife home everything's you know what I'm saying but I'm dying inside of this thing called the spiritual Malick Gueye spirituality here double restless discontent depressed fearful anxious no no no a feeling of uselessness that prey to misery and depression is what the book says you're with us no sense of direction that's what the spiritual malady is and that's what I'm experiencing but they don't who cares about that we're gonna we're gonna tell everybody how we got here all this has been in prison twice
I've never been to jail check out this guy had sixty W. as a beat up his wife I've never laid a hand on a woman ever no never check never had a DWI this guy blacked out and killed six people
check check check check check
I can't relate I can't relate you know you're scared the daylights out of me you know I think it got you know and here's what my mind you done it you start there listen to stupid or sources man I can't relate to that I take it but I can tell you this if I ever get as bad as that **** I'll quit
we didn't talk about the internal condition we didn't talk about the discomfort that was gonna be treated by the spiritual experience all we did was talk about the external circumstances you would can you imagine a business woman here in Reykjavik coming into this place and and she's been drinking she comes into a noon meeting she's freaked out because she didn't want to drink but she knows that she visits quite safe place she's gonna try to get get some help and so we go over and talk about prison in treatment and chop it up people and all the stupid war source and a lady and we watched it a thousand times and let me just get a quietly got the little person thank you thank you for sharing so openly with me
get out the door and we never see him again you know and we think we've done our job you you didn't do your job all you did was take the chicken **** way out but tell your stupid tired story
the book says we've got a common problem that's one element with broad powerful Samantha our war stories are probably hit up on the drugs one powerful one element but that in itself could not hold us together as we're now joined says on page seventeen the the good news is that we've got a common solution on page seventeen in our book it says we have a common solution that means I don't care if you're black white I don't care if you're from I sort of the United States I don't I don't I don't care
I don't care if you've been molested
I don't care if you've been adopted I don't care if you're dyslexic I don't care if you're bipolar I don't I don't I don't give a rat's ****
what happened to you in the past here's what my book says my books says the chief you will follow certain dictates of a higher power you're presently going to be taken to a new and wonderful place no matter what your circumstances so what I need to do she parked at with you buddy I know you're having a bad day give it a rest for a minute and listen to us and let us tell you how we got our credit cards back let's tell you how we got some cool relationships going let us tell you about our creative life to got to got excited the business that we started going back to school let us let me share with you a little bit of that good stuff everybody wants to come up after well Chris you know this I mean I can't just be one big pep rally yeah
that's your heart
my question to you is why can't it because in the early days of our policy numbers it was we would get together we pray they brought a Bible into the room and we prayed we we've we talked we went around and we we bore witness to the power of god in our lives and that's what we did and we got so smart sixty seven years later we can't do that anymore because we're too busy trying to fix what's wrong with you so you can be okay and not during
guys we did it this morning I just wanna do it one time just so I feel better how many you guys drank and drugged when your life was was absolutely stupendous
you feel intended how many dragon drug when your life was ****
all right so let's rest the case
that's what the little issue Mandaeans are about bugs the little X. is on the outside those are issues and those are issues that you think you're drinking over and you're not bringing over this is really powerful stuff folks I don't know what have been some of the some of you guys have been weird issue around like a like a like a badge of honor you know it's like a like a here
you again firstly is hi my name's Chris I was molested
come on guys and and I know it's off color and I'm not making fun of it I'm sorry you work it's got nothing to do with whether you can get sober not nothing and you know there's an industry optical treatments in our industry this make it a gazillion dollars off your **** it's big business is big money big medicine doctors cranking out news anti craving drugs every day to help you guys get all the stuff you know what none of it works none of it works what difference does it make you get anti crime drug what about an anti obsession drug
see that's what I can't beat that's what we gotta do we tell you what happened seven years into this in and out hundreds of meetings I'm proper proof positive that meeting makers don't like it because I went to a zillion meetings ninety means in ninety days I went a hundred twenty meetings in ninety days I'm gonna tell you something about
almost died you don't sit there watch the clock you know you don't want to be there you'll see the guys involved in that they don't take
take a look at this guy get a reason you get up into those movies are going to get a couple gonna go take a big long don't come back smoking a cigarette and then another anything to get it because you don't want to be in the room just because you haven't understood what your place is you're not in the rooms to hear something I don't care if you're one day so you're not in the room to hear anything you're in the room to give something back you in the room to give
and when you get to a place where you understand that but your place you have a job and that's to help somebody else when you start worrying about the new cover more than you're worried about staying sober you'll stay sober because you can't keep yourself sober working with a new comer nothing works better but try to get somebody to understand that many readers digest condensed because I'm a run out of time
I was working for my brother I I was in the food business for a long time back I couldn't stay in the food business I couldn't that I couldn't go that long without drinking and I could hold a knife anymore and and
well this is pretty scary to watch me anyway when I was a little quicker than I am I might be working in his book binder you know used to make jokes on the P. eight cancel Christmas surgery this morning you know because I'd be over there trying to hold a book in a hand to be shaken so bad a lot if I hadn't had a family I mean I've been on the street that a brother they gave me a job I was grateful for that I don't think I've ever thank him enough for that hi just
you know how it is so
I'm just grateful to have the temp job and and I work for for a long time the first few years I was worthless in that in that job I went home one day after work and is about three thirty in the afternoon it was cold in November of in Dallas and not a like cold for you guys but call for us and
and I got a twelve pack of beer and went home and I picked up a stack a return check out the mailbox and I'm thirty five years old I'm not I'm not two hundred pounds and it's all right here and liver damage and kidney damage I mean I'm I'm going down the toilet and
I am miserable and suicide is with me on a daily basis and I I don't want to live like this see I know who my dad race and it wasn't I'm looking at my in the mirror see that's not
and I said the heck with it
in the
I called Sir calling the chance of the phone and I backed out of the teller something say goodbye now backed out and hung up the phone say hi visit her off the phone ask if you were there and and and went straight to the bathroom got a bottle of pills and some bows and tried to commit suicide
some in the bottle water makes me so emotional at
C. get dis people people don't want to commit suicide I didn't want to die what I want to do is stop feeling like I was feeling cannot get down with that it wasn't that I was gonna make some big dramatic exit shall show the world screw you know
I was just tired of waking up every day not one to hurt anybody in knowing that I was going to hurt myself and everybody around me and I took the pills and this is what we're Thomas morning spiritual experience I heard that if those pills went down my throat I heard a voice he said Chris don't do it go back to a
we laughed about a thousand times said it again Chris don't do it go back to a a not did I hear the words I don't I don't think could have been the guys backing plate or next to me I really like little I don't know what it was I heard Chris don't do it go back to a
I don't want to go back to a Hey sucks
you can't get well and I have done it for seven years no you didn't go back to a a a border that suicide attempt the next day I went to a doctor got some detox meds and it's six o'clock that night detoxing from alcohol and a lot of drugs I walked into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in a different meaning that ever been to before no gotta get a twelve step called me once and he showed me where this meeting what was after my first black out he said Chris if you want to go to this meeting let's go now he says I don't want to go I just had one black out I didn't have as many as usual I'm not ready to go yet and I and I left but I knew where the meeting was because he'd taken time to show me the following and that Michael November ninth November thirteenth nineteen eighty seven bad luck for some people great luck for me I walked into a room full of people that loved me enough to finally tell me the truth it was a young nineteen year old girl I got between me and the door because when they were laughing I knew they were laughing at me as I stunk and I look like hell and I and I and I was given Cryin and I'd I'd I started back out and I stepped on this little girl nineteen years old and she stepped stood between me in the door she said you're not going to work so that
that's what drives me crazy when I hear people discount the young people in our meetings C. because it hadn't been for nineteen year old girl in that meeting what a young adult meeting it was it was it just a discussion meeting but was a literature based they all carry big books and that girl sent me down a path of my little leg got me a Cup of coffee a roll of paper towels to clean up the mess you know hope little quick on the copy got
jerky and and now she cleaned up the mess everybody had a good laugh and but I think the first time they all went around the room and they all shared the good stuff that the chairperson and seeing me for years and our fellowships is great we don't do the first at being here we need to do is this is pull this guy with a vision quote unquote we need to talk about how our lives have changed as a result of working the steps and they did that it was about fifteen people that shared the good step in their life the relationships that were mended the money that was coming back the improved health and they were going to and they at the end of the meeting they had me crying at the end of the meeting they said Chris do you want to stay sober for good and for all oldtimer came out said you wanna stay sober for good and for all and I said the the worst thing I could say I said well one day at a time
this increase that's not in the book that we read we live life one day at a time you stay sober by making a commitment
do you want to stay sober from now on
yes yeah yeah I did we're gonna show you how the next morning they got me back up they followed me back to the eight millimeter I went back because I was freaking out and like they follow me back they said we're gonna do a third step prayer two days into detox third step prayer that afternoon noontime they gave me the information on the four step stew days in detox
working on my four step two weeks later I got a complete four step and I'm ready to do a fist at and I'm laughing with my sponsors if you're not gonna believe this **** I'm seeing in this
is that the city of course I've been asleep because I found the same thing in mine I found out in a heartbeat but I wasn't the victim I thought I was what I'm saying all the times I've been telling everybody coming guys selfish and self centered this is what we find out in the four step what's our problem selfishness self centeredness is the root of our problems and you guys want to dovetail into it is that right every time you go to meeting one talk about some bad selfish and self centered to the court you're not worried about the guy in the front row which detox and you just wanna talk about your chicken chip problem again is that what we do
youth you just don't understand
I'm I'm having some
I just cracked me up I mean this is
I'm just I'm just having such a bad day and I just need a place to share and talk about it
unbelievable
no no no no no the goddess and backed by the door it's still stinking NGN
you're with me just wrote a hot check it was gonna break the bank account it's going to put him back in prison you're with us they just screamed at his kids and he's got the memory of the little kids how back in a corner he's having an absolute shitty day
but we're not gonna get to help him because we're too busy trying to take care of you you
arrogance of us coming to meetings and do that crap about me times I do
you know I'm
I'm blind in one eye and
why why
we didn't have the inheritance we thought we were going to get
could we talk about it with him my favorite mass will
I have a small **** in
after a while you just wanna should complain about you know you gotta start
unbelievable everybody look whole yes well we'll talk about that after the meeting I don't
I went home that night and real quick I went home that night and that is it was two weeks exactly after I took those those pills and I am I pulled up in my apartment complex in in Lewisville Texas and there's a seven eleven like at stop and go camping little convenience store where you bought those and there's a liquor store over there in the restaurant that I got a cab on us for places I can buy booze I could throw this this little book and hit those places from where I'm sitting in this parking lot you with me and my and my other issue the call K. my cooking dealer is in the same apartment complex I live in it's a Friday March just give me a paycheck and and and I got money in my pocket and I live by myself and I mean a certain a person there that can stop me
and I pulled on the tailgate of my truck because I'm hiring a kite I'm thinking she says what happened what's going on
and I start crying I don't mean little sniffy I mean bawling like a baby because for the first time in my adult life it dawns on me that the obsession to drink and to drug has been lifted from me
and there's nothing to stop me from going to get loaded
I deserve it happens over two weeks
but sanity has returned and I recovered I recover from alcoholism and drug addiction I got a taste some folks that was fifteen years ago fifteen years ago and the obsession to use has never come back we paint this picture for the newcomer that if everything goes okay you can stay sober that's the most dangerous thing that we can do an Alcoholics Anonymous what kind of
I was talking about last night if lack of powers my problem folks but I need a way to get some power and that's what it says on page forty five I think some power in all areas of my life anybody can stay sober when everything's going great but what happens when the kid gets sick
what happens when you lose the job what happens when like didn't do what you wanted to do it's a bear out there what is not going to go your way every time what are you gonna do
always stay where you don't do anything with possibly trigger you back into drinking
god did not get Chris Ramos over so I could walk on eggshells the rest of my life
and that that's the best that I can give you
why for no job whatsoever no wife job or no job you can stay so that's what my book says but nobody bothered ever tell me that for seven years they finally told me that I could stay sober even when things were going shitty I did a bit step finish the man's was working with others rapidly but they gave me a job the first week I was there to answer the phones in this stupid a a club Chris answer the phones
but if you have your own **** phone
I just sit in this room detoxing and you want me to answer the phone how do you expect me to do that it's really easy you say Lucille group it's just that simple you know
I answer these phones phone starts ringing I never forget it might remember the couch right here this of this payphone wrap the phone ring and I look at them they're looking to make up I realize they're not gonna answer the damn phone
they look at all the glasses the look at me and I
how do I what do I do six Lewisville group they help me they showed and Lucille group
this is Alan online should you want a meeting this well there's a meeting scheduled with the meeting schedules were
well you'll have to stand there yes we have an analogy or not at seven o'clock and now let's talk to this girl and I realize that I know this girl a drink with her husband she used to have a place right behind the barbecue restaurant owned we used to get **** faced together not just Hey I know you just I know you are you sober I said yeah I'm sober the few days now these changes can we talk I said absolutely I wait for ya in front like I had anything else to do you know my
no social calendar I had and I met her out front I don't know what I'm saying guys the for the first time here's what have I hung up the phone like this
I take care of it
for the first time in my life I was a student in your meeting I was sitting in my meeting what your club it was my club you follow me they created a monster for the next six months you can go here that if I was in a hurry
he he could kill somebody he answered his phone wrong I mean I I got I got this phone
when I got me a job in Alcoholics Anonymous I got me a job if you don't have a job in a call to arms you need to get one because you don't have a job you're not going to stay you're not going to stay you make the copy you clean out the what whatever your little niches you find it did you stay we need you I got a guy got to get out of here I gotta tell you right now guys
I don't know how to explain this to you yup that's such a core group here in this town yup yup you think you're in hot water and I gave him the truth is I've seen some of the purest most unadulterated program not fellowship program that I've ever seen in all my talk about the guys and I travel a lot I'm I'm on the road about thirty weekends out of the year speaking at places I'm gonna tell you something guys you are blessed to have the information that you have you know there's a group of you guys out here in the a lot of you there they are carrying the message in doing what you're gonna do I'm gonna take some I can't wait to come back in five years and see which all are doing in this in this fellowship because it is absolutely
really should you really should be pleased with what you're doing you you guys ahead can understand by working the steps I get connected to a power greater than myself when I get connected that power I have a thing called a spiritual experience and the desire to drink and drug leads and we need everyone of you in these trenches and okay with this on this island or in another country back in the states wherever we need you in the trenches guys people right now in this in this city right now dying of overdoses or dynamic of terrible alcoholism folks I gotta tell you people rather have a terrible time and the only place are going to get well
only place or in these fellowships in narcotics anonymous and cocaine anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous here in the pure clean message and guys everybody in the place is not gonna want to get sober and everybody in the
the the guy that was that was a Christian I got my feelings hurt when I because somebody said you know I was talking to some of the guys you'll have the same experience well I brought my big book and I started reading the told me to shut up and not read the big book just get a quick I said no and I got my feelings hurt when the first time somebody did that and I and I let this **** I'm not coming back you know your basic Chris if you have been around this fellowship longer than six months and you haven't thoroughly pissed off somebody you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing
do I think we ought to go look for fights no my books as we cease fighting anything or anyone including Alcoholics Anonymous I'm not here to fight with anybody not any group not any guru not any not anybody in the scholarship I won the fight with and I'm not gonna I don't have to defend what's in this big book but guys sooner or later everybody in this room is going to have to stand for something you can so you can start right now being the person that god wants you to be
or you can continue to make excuses why you're not that person
ya got that it's real simple you can be happy joyous and free that is the choice whether you drink or not is not you need the spiritual experience or to get taken to that place but you've got a choice with you're gonna be happy joyous and free whether you're going to come into a meeting looking for the new cover for you to come to the meeting just to stop and get sympathy because that's all you're doing your please spare us
selfish and self centered this is the root of the problems not drugs not alcohol I must get out of myself that means I must be here for you if I can help you I can tell you this right now I got cards appear if you guys ever need help in the states get loved ones are in trouble you call me and I hope you get connected if units of literature I'll send it to you I'll tell you this I'll be your body to the day you die but I tell you what I'm not gonna do another look the other way
well you kill people with your misinformation in your opinions about what this program is about
not a patch on the back you just keep coming back and continue to relapse after awhile folks he gets a little tiring
you follow us we need to we need to save some room for that the real newcomers
if you come back after six or seven slips you're not a newcomer anymore
he just a relapse or
and you wonder why people don't take anything you save with credibility
come on guys we need in the trenches I absolutely love everyone I am grateful that you asked me to come speak we'll see you soon thank you